EVF M rumoured

[Jeff S]

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23 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

Since you mention them. I notice BH  raised their price on current stock at midnight . Great extra profit they are making there! they were in stock at $240 and unstuck the next day at $380. It's a bit of a sour taste really, no product haas been tariffed and made it to shelves yes. The tariff  just makes retailers more money

 

B&H still lists BP-SCL-6 battery at $200, as I write this.

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[kiwidad]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

Not sure it’s possible for most Leica retailers to track unserialized items to know what was pre-tariff versus post-tariff inventory. They have to change the price on a set date if they’re not physically labeling their product boxes with price stickers.

No one had many of the batteries in stock anyway — most places are out of stock.

The two biggie reseller in Ny had them in stock on evening and in stock the next morning. The just made a buttload more profit!

[kiwidad]

1 hour ago, Jeff S said:

B&H still lists BP-SCL-6 battery at $200, as I write this.

Interesting . Wonder why the price changed back or maybe I just looked at the bp-scl7… for sure on the bp-scl7

[kiwidad]

So why do manual lenses not also have this hot focus issue? Is it perhaps just long focal length lenses?

[Erato]

It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates.

[Jeff S]

41 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

Interesting . Wonder why the price changed back or maybe I just looked at the bp-scl7… for sure on the bp-scl7

Yes, the BP-SCL7 is $380, which is more relevant here, given it’s for the M11. The BP-SCL6 is for the SL2/3, Q3/43, etc.  Sorry for any confusion.

Edited May 3 by Jeff S

[jakontil]

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Im curious if the M11-V allegedly will use the same maestro 3 sensor like other M11 series since the visoflex is probably a good example how much it can take in terms of liveview capability, it’s still limiting compared to what’s on the markeT

[kiwidad]

3 hours ago, Jeff S said:

A friend bought 2 more despite having 5 already for an SL3 and Q3-43.

The real question to me why Canadian prices have been raised like US ones. Canada doesn’t exercise tariffs against China! Never realized how opportunistic Leica was!

[Jeff S]

13 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

The real question to me why Canadian prices have been raised like US ones. Canada doesn’t exercise tariffs against China! Never realized how opportunistic Leica was!

Discussed in the tariff thread in the Bar.

[erl]

1 hour ago, Erato said:

It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates.

I am wondering what 'new tricks' the cameras can do. In my experience, up to the M10 (I don't have an M11) they are all working beautifully. Even as far back as my M8's, no issues. So what benefit could I expect from upgrades?

[Erato]

2 hours ago, erl said:

I am wondering what 'new tricks' the cameras can do. In my experience, up to the M10 (I don't have an M11) they are all working beautifully. Even as far back as my M8's, no issues. So what benefit could I expect from upgrades?

More M lens codes supporting Elmar 50mm F3.5, Summaron 35mm F2.8/F3.5, 90mm F3.5, 135mm F3.5 and more...

[erl]

2 hours ago, Erato said:

More M lens codes supporting Elmar 50mm F3.5, Summaron 35mm F2.8/F3.5, 90mm F3.5, 135mm F3.5 and more...

Fair enough, if you need/want those. Do other M models support those lenses?

[Erato]

1 hour ago, erl said:

Fair enough, if you need/want those. Do other M models support those lenses?

Not sure. Perhaps M9/M8 Series owners could help.

Additional M lens code request for Summarit 50mm F1.5 and Elmarit 24mm F2.8 if possible.

Edited May 3 by Erato

[lct]

I'm not aware of Leica 90/3.5 or 138/3.5 lenses, but Elmar 50/3.5, Summarons 35/2.8 or 35/3.5, or Summarit 50/1.5 have never got a Leica code since they were long discontinued when 6-bit coding has been implemented. However a good question could be to know if owners of discontinued bodies are entitled to claim for firmware updates about new Leica lenses that did not exist yet when their body has been discontinued.

[adan]

9 hours ago, kiwidad said:

So why do manual lenses not also have this hot focus issue? Is it perhaps just long focal length lenses?

Manual lenses certainly do show this issue. Lots of manual fast, long lenses (e.g for sports, wildlife, etc.) were designed to focus beyond infinity as they were developed (1970s). 180 f/2.8s, 300mm f/2.8-2.0s, 600mm f/4s, etc. They could not reliably focus to infinity otherwise.

Yes, physical length plays a role, since the change is caused by the coefficient of thermal expansion - which is a multiplier or percentage.

I.E. if a metal lens tube 15mm long will expand .01 mm with a temperature increase of X, then a lens tube 600mm long, of the same metal, will expand .40 mm with the same temperature change X.

Interesting that plastics/polycarbonate have higher CTEs than brass or aluminum - may explain why certain plastic AF lens barrels need more - leeway - (more overshoot available) than M lenses.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html

[jaapv]

The advantage of composites is that the designer can control the expansion of the barrel by structurally combining materials with different expansion coefficients. There are experiments  ( probably not (yet?) in lens design ) with heat-shrinking material. This is of much interest for my field of dentistry as the shrinkage and expansion of composite filling materials is a real problem for the longevity of fillings. 

M lenses reduce the problem by fixing the optical cell to the rear of the outer barrel, thus limiting the expansion to the inner barrel. With longer and more complex lenses this is not feasible. 

[jgeenen]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb jakontil:

Im curious if the M11-V allegedly will use the same maestro 3 sensor like other M11 series since the visoflex is probably a good example how much it can take in terms of liveview capability, it’s still limiting compared to what’s on the markeT

The Maestro 2/3 processorsshould be capable of running EVFs - Leica SL and Q cameras had proven this since first generation. But probably the Visoflex is using a less performant interface (or the bandwidth had been dialed down for reliability or power saving reasons). 

Edited May 3 by jgeenen

[jaapv]

The original Visoflex of the 240 could not be upgraded to the newer and better Olympus made by Epson variant as Leica could not get it to work through limitations in processing power. Before blaming Leica, at the time the firmware was provided by a division of Zeiss. A large division that even provided the weapon systems software for F16 fighters. 

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[jakontil]

23 minutes ago, jgeenen said:

The Maestro 2/3 processorsshould be capable of running EVFs - Leica SL and Q cameras had proven this since first generation. But probably the Visoflex is using a less performant interface (or the bandwidth had been dialed down for reliability or power saving reasons). 

Of course.. just how good the experience on M11 i wonder 

[sandro]

11 hours ago, Erato said:

It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates.

How would you know these customers won't get any further updates?

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