EVF M rumoured

[jrichie]

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The same battery is $320 list here in Australia [inc GST of 10%] = US$206

Thats quite the difference but totally predictable based on the tariffs. There is absolutely no way would I be paying $600 for a battery. Its got insane.

It will be interesting to see what the M-V is going to be.  Surely they can reduce the price compared to an M, as the complication is reduced, unless they spin some story of a unique focussing system, to justify a higher price [which I have no doubt they probably will].

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[dante]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

The battery is made in China. The new price includes 145% tariffs. Customers pay the tariff cost. In Switzerland, the battery costs CHF 175.00, which is $210.

No kidding that it's the tariffs, since these are the two things "in the box" (well, the charge is not, anymore) that are ostensibly made in China. I was actually surprised at how little the camera went up, since I thought Germany got hit with a new one too. I saw this coming, which is why I bought everything before the tariffs hit. 

On the other hand, the reason why the batteries are absurdly expensive doesn't really fix the fact that they are.   

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[dante]

1 hour ago, T25UFO said:

I'm afraid it's the price you pay for Uncle Donald.  In the UK the battery is £142 (converts to roughly $190 but was $170 a few weeks ago) and the charger £125 ($165 or $150 a few weeks ago).  Both UK prices include 20% value added tax.

UK retailers are not allowed to ship batteries overseas, not sure about the charger.

I feel your pain and not just on the price of eggs ☹️

I would love to know if anyone in the current US government ever took an economics course. I'm guessing not! 

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[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, dante said:

The camera increase is not terrible, and in line with general relative prices of Leica vs. others, but if Leica wants to sell cameras, it's not a good look for a battery to be $400 when tax is included. 

 

 

I know at least 5 people who bought batteries today while they were still in stock at $200 (B&H, etc).

[Jeff S]

3 hours ago, dkmoore said:

M cameras broke the $10k USD mark. Kinda silly and dissapointing. I will prob still buy them but want to complain about it. 

On the flip side, places like Leica Miami will typically raise prices of used gear to maintain balance for sales and trades.  Doesn’t help new buyers, of course.

[dante]

12 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

On the flip side, places like Leica Miami will typically raise prices of used gear to maintain balance for sales and trades.  Doesn’t help new buyers, of course.

I know. I got a very good deal on my M11M using their 90% trade special. Of course, having to dig up every piece of paper regarding your M from a decade ago takes a minute...

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[dante]

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19 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

I know at least 5 people who bought batteries today while they were still in stock at $200 (B&H, etc).

I would have done that, except I have 3 batteries already. Given the epic battery life on this camera, and the storage difficulties with Li-Ion, it didn't seem worth it.

The real tariff pain that I didn't really consider would be the Visoflex 2, but I ended up buying a used one a few weeks ago. That new looks like it's still $800ish, but I can't imagine how insanely expensive that will get soon. It's a little bit of a shock when your previous Leica could run off a $100 (used) Olympus VF-2.

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[Jeff S]

10 minutes ago, dante said:

I know. I got a very good deal on my M11M using their 90% trade special. Of course, having to dig up every piece of paper regarding your M from a decade ago takes a minute...

 

I keep all original packaging, with paperwork inside, in a spare closet. Simple. Taking pics for assessment of used gear, however, is a pain.  I’d rather just ship it, based on an estimated trade range, and then trust a fair evaluation.

[Jeff S]

4 minutes ago, dante said:

I would have done that, except I have 3 batteries already. Given the epic battery life on this camera, and the storage difficulties with Li-Ion, it didn't seem worth it.

 

A friend bought 2 more despite having 5 already for an SL3 and Q3-43.

[Crem]

17 minutes ago, dante said:

I would have done that, except I have 3 batteries already. Given the epic battery life on this camera, and the storage difficulties with Li-Ion, it didn't seem worth it.

The real tariff pain that I didn't really consider would be the Visoflex 2, but I ended up buying a used one a few weeks ago. That new looks like it's still $800ish, but I can't imagine how insanely expensive that will get soon. It's a little bit of a shock when your previous Leica could run off a $100 (used) Olympus VF-2.

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I had to look Visoflex 2 prices here in the USA. BHPhoto wants $798. Leica Store Miami wants $1510. All this is before sales tax and shipping. Crazy times. I just realized I have a few thousand dollars worth of Leica batteries (if I had to buy them new).

Edited Friday at 10:16 PM by Crem

[kiwidad]

7 hours ago, hdmesa said:

All AF lenses can focus past infinity when manually focusing. 

You must have handled every one ever made then 😉 

 

[kiwidad]

29 minutes ago, dante said:

I would have done that, except I have 3 batteries already. Given the epic battery life on this camera, and the storage difficulties with Li-Ion, it didn't seem worth it.

The real tariff pain that I didn't really consider would be the Visoflex 2, but I ended up buying a used one a few weeks ago. That new looks like it's still $800ish, but I can't imagine how insanely expensive that will get soon. It's a little bit of a shock when your previous Leica could run off a $100 (used) Olympus VF-2.

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Yup. it says made in China. What aggravates me is the companies who marked all there stock up at midnight. I saw batteries in stock for $240 when I went to bed and $380 at breakfast! NO stock has landed and had tariffs paid and made it to as shelf yet!  I found a dealer in Colorado who was raising the price on new stock only and I bought another spare there. He will have every nickel of my business I can spend there moving forward!

[kiwidad]

34 minutes ago, dante said:

I would have done that, except I have 3 batteries already. Given the epic battery life on this camera, and the storage difficulties with Li-Ion, it didn't seem worth it.

The real tariff pain that I didn't really consider would be the Visoflex 2, but I ended up buying a used one a few weeks ago. That new looks like it's still $800ish, but I can't imagine how insanely expensive that will get soon. It's a little bit of a shock when your previous Leica could run off a $100 (used) Olympus VF-2.

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Since you mention them. I notice BH  raised their price on current stock at midnight . Great extra profit they are making there! they were in stock at $240 and unstuck the next day at $380. It's a bit of a sour taste really, no product haas been tariffed and made it to shelves yes. The tariff  just makes retailers more money

 

[hdmesa]

18 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

Since you mention them. I notice BH  raised their price on current stock at midnight . Great extra profit they are making there! they were in stock at $240 and unstuck the next day at $380. It's a bit of a sour taste really, no product haas been tariffed and made it to shelves yes. The tariff  just makes retailers more money

 

Not sure it’s possible for most Leica retailers to track unserialized items to know what was pre-tariff versus post-tariff inventory. They have to change the price on a set date if they’re not physically labeling their product boxes with price stickers.

No one had many of the batteries in stock anyway — most places are out of stock.

[hdmesa]

26 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

You must have handled every one ever made then 😉 

 

🤪 It’s literally how AF lenses work. If they can’t focus past infinity, they may stop short of infinity in hotter weather. If you were shooting outside on a hot day, black lens, standing in the sun for awhile, then maybe manual focus of the AF lens does stop right at infinity because it’s at one end of its tolerance.

[Jeff S]

23 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

Since you mention them. I notice BH  raised their price on current stock at midnight . Great extra profit they are making there! they were in stock at $240 and unstuck the next day at $380. It's a bit of a sour taste really, no product haas been tariffed and made it to shelves yes. The tariff  just makes retailers more money

 

B&H still lists BP-SCL-6 battery at $200, as I write this.

[kiwidad]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

Not sure it’s possible for most Leica retailers to track unserialized items to know what was pre-tariff versus post-tariff inventory. They have to change the price on a set date if they’re not physically labeling their product boxes with price stickers.

No one had many of the batteries in stock anyway — most places are out of stock.

The two biggie reseller in Ny had them in stock on evening and in stock the next morning. The just made a buttload more profit!

[kiwidad]

1 hour ago, Jeff S said:

B&H still lists BP-SCL-6 battery at $200, as I write this.

Interesting . Wonder why the price changed back or maybe I just looked at the bp-scl7… for sure on the bp-scl7

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[kiwidad]

So why do manual lenses not also have this hot focus issue? Is it perhaps just long focal length lenses?

[Erato]

It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates.