EVF M rumoured

[jaapv]

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It cannot use that sensor as the microlenses are completely unsuitable for M lenses. 

[jaapv]

4 hours ago, Smogg said:

Pre-capture is only possible with an electronic shutter on fast sensors. The M11's sensor isn't one of those.

It is normally a 4K or 6K video loop running before the shutter is pressed. The S5 already had it and that sensor was not especially fast. I never used it as it is (was?) jpg output only. 

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22 hours ago, dem331 said:

I think that it is a mistake calling it (if they do) M11-E or M11-EVF or some iteration of this.  It would be best to separate it more from the rangefinder line and call it something like QM or MQ, which is really what it is, a Q for M mount manual focus lenses. 
 

The rangefinder line is iconic, much the same as the Porsche 911, the BMW boxer motorcycle engine or the Rolex, and should not be messed with.  There are better cameras, cars (maybe), motorcycles and watches, but few with the iconic status of those products. 

? A Q is a single lens-aperture-shutter-sensor unit with a Leica shaped body attached to it. At most this proposed camera has some some Q style elements. But a rose by any other name I guess. 

[costa43]

My guess is the 35mm Noctilux will also be announced tomorrow with the EVF M.

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Strange that there’s nothing on Leica Mayfair website but Red Dot Cameras do have event tomorrow. It’s going to rain tomorrow so can’t be asked to go to the “town” 😀

[dem331]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

? A Q is a single lens-aperture-shutter-sensor unit with a Leica shaped body attached to it. At most this proposed camera has some some Q style elements. But a rose by any other name I guess. 

Exactly ….you’re right. 
 

Just like the SL was like an S (although totally different) but with an L-Mount,  the QM can be just like a Q (although totally different) with an M-Mount. 
 

The important thing is to differentiate it clearly from the M line for marketing purposes. 
 

You could call it something like EVM1 or EM1 but calling it the QM softens the M part of the name (since you can not drop it) but distances it from the rangefinder line by linking it to another very successful  product line. 

Just my thoughts since I am no marketing expert. 

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Positioning a camera in a lower tier naming cannot be good marketing either. But that is a Leica decision ( and they are known to get it wrong sometimes). 🥹

[lct]

1 hour ago, dem331 said:

The important thing is to differentiate it clearly from the M line for marketing purposes. 

Or the opposite way, positioning it as an entry digital M the same way as the Leica M1 used to be an entry analog M in the 60s. OVF cameras sans rangefinder were pretty common at the time. The M1 has not been a commercial success if memory serves so i doubt the current Leica marketing department would like that analogy. I'm no expert in this matter though but i still don't understand what the Q has to do with a interchangeable M lens camera. Maybe because they share the same EVF, i don't know.

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3 minutes ago, lct said:

Or the opposite way, positioning it as an entry digital M the same way as the Leica M1 used to be an entry analog M in the 60s. OVF cameras sans rangefinder were pretty common at the time. The M1 has not been a commercial success if memory serves so i doubt the current Leica marketing department would like that analogy. I'm no expert in this matter though but i still don't understand what the Q has to do with a interchangeable M lens camera. Maybe because they share the same EVF, i don't know.

Both run on batteries.

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1 hour ago, dem331 said:

Exactly ….you’re right. 
 

Just like the SL was like an S (although totally different) but with an L-Mount,  the QM can be just like a Q (although totally different) with an M-Mount. 
 

The important thing is to differentiate it clearly from the M line for marketing purposes. 
 

You could call it something like EVM1 or EM1 but calling it the QM softens the M part of the name (since you can not drop it) but distances it from the rangefinder line by linking it to another very successful  product line. 

Just my thoughts since I am no marketing expert. 

 

The Q has been the gateway drug to the M system for the longest.

Leica are now introducing something in between that.

They've made the M (EV1) more attractive to Q buyers, a younger market, those with sight challenges or those wanting to get into the Leica ecosystem with a sub step to the M.

They wouldn't have made the camera if they didn't think it would sell. 

Imagine people buying a Q, then a M EV1 then a M... Win for Leica selling more units.

Not sure why so many desperately want it to be a Q. If people don't like the new camera, just don't buy it, it won't hurt anyone promise and Leica will still make money.

Anyways it'll be revealed in 24 hours across most of the world at events.

[T25UFO]

I really don't understand this continued comparison with the Q.  According to the rumour, this new MEV thingy is going to be priced between the Q and the real M; but it won't have a lens thrown in for free so there will still be a huge price difference to the Q.

[LocalHero1953]

22 minutes ago, rxj said:

The Q has been the gateway drug to the M system for the longest.

 

AFAIC the Q is the exit drug (methodone?) for the M system.
Between my workhorse/Swiss Army knife SL3-S, casual Q3-43 and obsessional film cameras, there's no longer any room for a digital M. 

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8 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

I really don't understand this continued comparison with the Q.

Prolly cos it has a Q3 EVF on the M body

[jankap]

Why not EVF-L with L-mount and an enclosed adapter for M lenses? 

The L-mount is much more powerful and patented. The M adapter would be a nice reminiscent to the past (1954), it even gives a line to LTM (1930).

Please do not shoot at me.☺️

Edited Wednesday at 12:52 PM by jankap

[lct]

14 minutes ago, jankap said:

Why not EVF-L with L-mount and an enclosed adapter for M lenses?

This question has been discussed for years here. We will know the definite answer tomorrow, hopefully. Touch wood 🙏

[BernardC]

11 hours ago, adan said:

It is called pre-release capture, or pre-release recording, or similar.

https://photographylife.com/pre-release-capture-explained

In effect an automated version of "machine-gunning" - starting even before you fully press the shutter button.

With some cameras, only works with .jpgs and/or smaller sensors (less data to deal with). But Sony's Alpha 9 can do it with RAW images, at 24x36 area and 24Mpixel images, over 1 second.

Credit where it's due, Panasonic is a leader in this field, both in MFT and full-frame L-mount (1.5 seconds max in RAW 24MP). Even they don't offer pre-burst in their high-resolution camera, so I doubt we'll see it in a 60MP EVF M.

[Tseg]

Can I use my $1K Visolfex 2 on it?

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1 minute ago, Tseg said:

Can I use my $1K Visolfex 2 on it?

Depends what "it" is.

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54 minutes ago, rxj said:

 

The Q has been the gateway drug to the M system for the longest.

Leica are now introducing something in between that.

They've made the M (EV1) more attractive to Q buyers, a younger market, those with sight challenges or those wanting to get into the Leica ecosystem with a sub step to the M.

They wouldn't have made the camera if they didn't think it would sell. 

Imagine people buying a Q, then a M EV1 then a M... Win for Leica selling more units.

Not sure why so many desperately want it to be a Q. If people don't like the new camera, just don't buy it, it won't hurt anyone promise and Leica will still make money.

Anyways it'll be revealed in 24 hours across most of the world at events.

They’ve made misjudgments before: X Vario, Digilux3

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb rxj:

 

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Imagine people buying a Q, then a M EV1 then a M... Win for Leica selling more units.

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Why would anybody buy a M when he already has a MEV1?

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.