BWColor Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM Share #3161 Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM Advertisement (gone after registration) I was out on my morning walk and came upon a very colorful spider .. a really huge spider with its web against a distance stand of trees. I was using a 90mm Macro Elmar and to say that the rangefinder focusing was difficult would be an understatement. Well, no solution here, I was using my M3, but I do use a Visoflex 2 for almost half my shots, because I absolutely love my 21mm Super-Elmar. Oh, that’s on my M11M. Anyway, I see a real use for a built in EVF, but this version won’t be my model of interest. I use a different system for color. I find manual focusing quite easy and rewarding using a viewfinder similar to the Q3’s viewfinder, but I can see where some more accurate feedback would be useful. Focus peaking might be optimized where it is actually useful with fast lenses. All that said, if I were without a number of M lenses and I wasn’t totally in need of such a small camera, I would compare this camera to a recently released medium format camera. Very different cameras and the X2Dii is only really compact with a handful of lenses, but then again, Leica is tossing the rangefinder aside, or are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted yesterday at 02:37 PM Share #3162 Posted yesterday at 02:37 PM 7 minutes ago, BWColor said: I was out on my morning walk and came upon a very colorful spider .. a really huge spider with its web against a distance stand of trees. I was using a 90mm Macro Elmar and to say that the rangefinder focusing was difficult would be an understatement. The M has always been clunky when used outside is base operating envelope. It CAN do other things but is awkward to use for macro and always has been. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted yesterday at 02:38 PM Share #3163 Posted yesterday at 02:38 PM 17 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said: Perhaps he has been too busy reviewing new Noctilux lenses …. not new cameras. If he has tested the new 35mm Noctilux together with the EVF-M, he may face a dilemma when posting his review. Unless, of course, they are launched at the same time. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWColor Posted yesterday at 02:46 PM Share #3164 Posted yesterday at 02:46 PM 7 minutes ago, pgk said: The M has always been clunky when used outside is base operating envelope. It CAN do other things but is awkward to use for macro and always has been. All true, but I’ve not purchased the macro adapter for this lens. Perhaps I will do so in the future for use on an EVF/Visoflex digital camera. This spider was Texas big.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted yesterday at 02:53 PM Share #3165 Posted yesterday at 02:53 PM 13 minutes ago, evikne said: If he has tested the new 35mm Noctilux together with the EVF-M, he may face a dilemma when posting his review. Unless, of course, they are launched at the same time. 😉 If he’s testing both in his usual sunny climes we might get a bonus review of ND filters…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Share #3166 Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, NigelG said: If he’s testing both in his usual sunny climes we might get a bonus review of ND filters…. E60 thread is a pain as variable ND standard sizes jump between 58 and 62mm, so an opportunity exists for Leica to sell a ND2->ND32 in E60 ? Edited yesterday at 03:05 PM by FrozenInTime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted yesterday at 03:05 PM Share #3167 Posted yesterday at 03:05 PM Advertisement (gone after registration) 26 minutes ago, evikne said: If he has tested the new 35mm Noctilux together with the EVF-M, he may face a dilemma when posting his review. Unless, of course, they are launched at the same time. 😉 Not to mention the Q3M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted yesterday at 03:59 PM Share #3168 Posted yesterday at 03:59 PM 1 hour ago, AlanJW said: [...] If you have a relationship with your dealer, he'll put you on the list and let you decide when its announced. All without ever admittinng there is anything to order - yet. +1. Mine simply said we will keep you informed, as expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Share #3169 Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM If someone is on the WYSIWYG trail than the SL system is the tool of choice. So why try to force a wonderfull M rangefinder cameras to do things which are not the playground for these tool. The question for me is why there is no digital M with a viewfinder magnification like the M3. I use my M3's and the SL2s side by side and can enjoy the strength of both worlds with the same glass. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM Share #3170 Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM 13 minutes ago, DreiPunkte said: If someone is on the WYSIWYG trail than the SL system is the tool of choice. So why try to force a wonderfull M rangefinder cameras to do things which are not the playground for these tool. The question for me is why there is no digital M with a viewfinder magnification like the M3. [...] Some people want a compact M-mount mirrorless body dedicated to their M lenses and a 0.91x OVF a-la-M3 would be a problem for lenses wider than 50mm the same way as it was so for the M3 that needed goggles for 35mm lenses such as Summilux and Summicron. Main reason for the 0.72x M2 to be released 50+ years ago and i would be another reason for digital users to prefer an EVF-M nowadays IMHO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted yesterday at 06:39 PM Share #3171 Posted yesterday at 06:39 PM 13 hours ago, dbirkey said: 200 pages sounds like a worthy goal… so here we go…. Based on what I have seen/heard… I am looking forward to a M11-E or EVF… whenever it comes out.. I’m hoping sooner rather than later. I want a M camera that I can look through the viewfinder and don’t have to focus and recompose… and check focus and recompose… and triple check focus and recompose…. And still feel unconfident as to whether it is in focus or not…. I want to be able to see focus in the viewfinder… I do not want to shoot with live view… I don’t want to mess with a Visoflex…. I also love the rumored use of the preview lever to toggle focus mode and magnification…. I have high hopes…. Those dipped a bit after Jono’s post…. But hope springs eternal… Sounds like you should just get a Q3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted yesterday at 06:40 PM Share #3172 Posted yesterday at 06:40 PM (edited) Yes I have heard that 35mm is nearly impossile to use on a M3 but I dont want to talk about that myst here. Edited yesterday at 06:55 PM by DreiPunkte Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7enderbender Posted 22 hours ago Share #3173 Posted 22 hours ago Can’t the screens-and-automation just leave a few things to the rest of us who like things analog(ish) and manual? Let the Tesla crowd buy the Q3 or some Sony - or just use their phone. I hope this doesn’t ring in the end of the real rangefinder. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnguyen Posted 22 hours ago Share #3174 Posted 22 hours ago Here you go . In case you guys haven't seen this Leica M EV1 camera updates: 45g lighter, customizable FN button (frame selection lever) By LR admin | Published: October 12, 2025 FacebookTwitterEmailRedditShare http://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Leica-M-EV1-camera-with-electronic-viewfinder-560x333.png Here are three new updates on the upcoming Leica M EV1 camera: The new M EV1 will be 45g lighter compared to the M11 The new FN button (frame selection lever) will have dual functionality for the electronic viewfinder: peaking on/off or zoom on/off (assignable in the menu, I assume) The M EV1 will use the same M11 BP-SCL7 battery (the M EV1 is based on the M11 electronics) Previously reported M EV1 leaks/rumors: http://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/New-Leica-M11-V-camera-with-EVF-camera-leaks-rumors-2-392x560.jpg http://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/New-Leica-M11-V-camera-with-EVF-camera-leaks-rumors-1-393x560.jpg New Built-in EVF 0.5 inch & 5.76 MP 0.76x Magnification Focus aids Diopter compensation New FN-Button Frame selection lever with dual FN functionality for the viewfinder Puristic Design Clean front without a rangefinder window Diamond pattern leatherette Leica Content Credentials Ensure authenticity of digital images 60/36/18 Megapixel Full-frame BSI image sensor with triple resolution technology Maestro III Image Processor 64GB Internal memory Made in Germany Price It should be cheaper than the Leica M11 Price in EU incl VAT: €7,950 (around $9,300) Price in Hong Kong: $75,000 HKD (around $9,600) With the new Trump tariffs, the price in the US could be over $10k Other Not sure if it will be available in silver The Leica M EV1 is rumored to be officially announced on October 23rd 2025 (±1 day) Shipping will start in November The camera is already in production: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceR Posted 21 hours ago Share #3175 Posted 21 hours ago Based on the rumors and speculation, the way I conceptualize this new potential camera is largely an M11-P with an EVF. I had an M11 and it was my all time favorite camera. I swapped it out for an SL3, for the same reason as some others, difficulty hitting critical focus with aging eyes. On the SL3, if needed, I am setup to quickly move the focus box around by joystick and punch in for critical focus. I would not say it is faster than what I could achieve with the M11, but it is decently fast and sufficient for much of my photography to get critical focus when needed. I kept all of my M lenses and complemented my kit with some SL lenses. I would also say that at times I have gotten shots with the SL3 that I probably could not have gotten with the M11. I am curious how different the manual focusing experience will be between this new potential camera versus the SL3. Will the experience be better than the SL3 or mostly the same? Probably with auto-zoom like the M11 and VF2? If this camera was available a year ago, I would have traded out my M11 for it and not thought twice about it. Now with the SL3 in hand (having IBIS, tilt-screen, etc.) it might be a difficult decision for me. Not sure I could justify owning both bodies, but I definitely put my name on the list... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted 21 hours ago Share #3176 Posted 21 hours ago ..."puristic design"? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted 21 hours ago Share #3177 Posted 21 hours ago 48 minutes ago, 7enderbender said: Can’t the screens-and-automation just leave a few things to the rest of us who like things analog(ish) and manual? Let the Tesla crowd buy the Q3 or some Sony - or just use their phone. I hope this doesn’t ring in the end of the real rangefinder. There is nowhere any suggestion that rangefinder Leicas will be replaced by EVF based M cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichie Posted 20 hours ago Share #3178 Posted 20 hours ago 37 minutes ago, SrMi said: There is nowhere any suggestion that rangefinder Leicas will be replaced by EVF based M cameras. I doubt it as well as it what makes the M magic for me and something special. The more time goes on with the EVF talk, the more I don't want it - when my eyes stop being able to focus an M camera, I will be going full autofocus and electronic only and not fudging around with manual lenses and an EVF. We will see though. As ever I reserve all rights to do a complete 180 [and delete all these incriminating posts], whilst running to the Leica store to take my money, if they deliver something that I can't resist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWColor Posted 19 hours ago Share #3179 Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, jrichie said: I doubt it as well as it what makes the M magic for me and something special. The more time goes on with the EVF talk, the more I don't want it - when my eyes stop being able to focus an M camera, I will be going full autofocus and electronic only and not fudging around with manual lenses and an EVF. We will see though. As ever I reserve all rights to do a complete 180 [and delete all these incriminating posts], whilst running to the Leica store to take my money, if they deliver something that I can't resist. At that point it really does make sense to purchase a camera with reasonably good autofocus and relative ease of manual focus. I think that the new X2Dii and SL-3 fall into this category. Likely, the X2Dii is probably priced about the same as the new Leica. Different compromise here, but if you don’t have a lot of Leica glass, there are a few small lenses for the Hasselblad. My favorite is the 38v. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirkey Posted 19 hours ago Share #3180 Posted 19 hours ago 10 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: Why are you even shooting with an M? In all seriousness, it seems like a system with AF would be much more suitable. The M isn't for everyone. I know experienced pros that won't go near them, and that's fine. Considering the M-EVF won't have autofocus, I'm not sure it's going to be that much easier for you, and in some cases even more difficult (at least that's my experience using a visoflex vs the rf). I’m not shooting with the M currently, I used to shoot with the M because it was great for situations where I needed to be quiet. I hated the fact that my composition always went south whenever I had to focus and shoot quickly. I already have all the AF gear, primes and zooms I need. I want to get back into the M system. I love the form factor of the M, I love the lenses…. Yes AF lenses are great when they work… but sometimes I want/need to shoot with manual focus, and I would like to be able to look at the lens and see where the focus is set before I raise it to my eye. Sure I could get an SL2/3 camera and use M lenses…. I may end up doing that anyhow for IBIS…. And if I buy an SL series body… it seems stupid not to have SL lenses… But I’d much rather have an EVF M body... as I really like knowing exactly what I am shooting…. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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