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23 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

Now this never ending idiotic thread on nothing but Leica smoke signals descends into cheese preferences.......I can't wait for Leica to announce something on the damn EVF M or whatever it'll be called then we can go about the normal topic as to what's disappointing about the new camera and why we'd never buy it anyway as per normal.........and for the record Normandy Livarot Camembert is to die for, so there.

So far, the discussion was interesting, but now it has become cheesy 🤪.

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7 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Now you need a revolution in bread…. A nation that embraces Hovis 🥺

I can't remember the last time I saw a Hovis loaf. Certainly there are plenty of sliced, white, plastic-wrapped loaves in supermarkets, but we have a good bread shop within walking distance.

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37 minutes ago, lct said:

You don't know what you miss 🥖

French Baguette

With regular trips to Belgium and France, I get plenty of chances to sample cheese, bread and beer. French cheese is better in France, especially since Brexit, which means we only get the stuff that travels well - finding decent Brie is impossible here. Baron Bigod from Suffolk, often sold as a substitute, is a bit too harsh for me.

It's hard to make bad fresh bread, so fresh bread is usually excellent in most countries. The problem here has been the loss of the habit of regularly buying local bread, and so the loss of local bakers. Some of those that have returned stick to sourdough, which is OK, but a bit limited.

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

I bet you a Dutch Old Rotterdam to a Camembert that it will be a one-off. The interest outside a small group of M users will be minimal. A niche within a niche. 

I prefer an old Delft 😂

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On 9/27/2025 at 11:57 PM, NigelG said:

Catching-up (finally) with “Severance” on Apple TV+

Loving Mr Milchick moving around to record all the team photos on his lightly disguised M6 without ever adjusting the focus or aperture…🫨


 

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en

Looks like a leak of upcoming M6 with evf and AV mode, may be built in autofocus helicoid

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Now on to 136 pages. For a niche camera that will appeal only to a handful of Leica diehards, there seems to be a lot of interest here; unless, of course, it’s the vocal few hoping for the camera they really want - a full frame, L mount CL.

Here’s a newsflash - Leica released that camera in 2015, with the SL(601) a camera with L mount, optimised for M lenses and with R and M mount adapters (remember the furious R users?).  So, what diehard CL users want is a smaller SL?  I fully understand CL users being pissed off (I still have a TL2, which I think is the better camera), but making an L mount M camera?  You can’t be serious.

I seem to recall Jono floating this idea some time ago, then realising it was a bad idea.

To recap - we have a mountain of M lenses, we have M cameras dating back to 1954, and Visoflexes for the M mount since 1959.  Why on earth would an L mount have anything to do with the M system?  All that is being discussed is moving the Visoflex into the M camera.

An L mount would bring video, auto-focus and huge lenses into an M body.  It would be an SL4. And why would Leica release such a camera with an M label?  What these people seem to want is a smaller SL. I have no issue with that, but I really can’t see an M camera with an L mount.  Purchasers would want to use their APO L mount lenses, the zooms and the 50 Summilux-SL, with AF and all the other L mount benefits.  It would be horrible to hold.

I’m not sure which camera series such a daft camera would kill more quickly - the M or the L cameras.  Maybe both!

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I’ve always used M cameras with slightly larger lenses. I never found it a hardship. M8, Novoflex T in Pigriff on Visoflex iii. 
 

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8 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I’ve always used M cameras with slightly larger lenses. I never found it a hardship. M8, Novoflex T in Pigriff on Visoflex iii. 
 

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So, now you want an AF M camera?

Just to stay on topic, rather than rise to a tangential comment (for what purpose?) you can use any R mount lenses on an M camera with the existing R-M adapter. I think that rather makes my point - R lenses, no AF, R system no video …

Speaking personally, I would never mount an M camera on such a set up.  What would be the point, when the SL would be better suited.  When I do go on safari in Africa, I will take my SL, with 24-90 zoom, 180/2.8 Elmarit-R and 2x converter.  Nothing would induce me to take an M camera - not as robust, no weathersealing, no AF and no video.

Your image just reinforces in my mind what a dumb idea an M camera with an L mount would be.  Clearly your mileage varies (you want video in an M camera); and Leica is not immune to dumb ideas.

The release, if/when it happens, will reveal all.

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20 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I have absolutely no interest in buying an EVF M camera. And…An SL in 2008?? I sold my M240 and retained my M 9  cameras. Do I want Video?   

Right.  And this is relevant to an EVF M how?  

For what it’s worth, while I think such a camera is good for Leica, I won’t be buying one either.

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I still think that a dual-purpose camera would be more popular, but then, I am not Leica.
I do not think that lens bulk deters many M type camera users. Just look at all the lenses that are adapted to the EVF enabled M cameras. 
Nor does Leica, historically speaking. The V mount accommodated lenses up to 800 mm. 

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4 hours ago, jaapv said:

I still think that a dual-purpose camera would be more popular, but then, I am not Leica.
I do not think that lens bulk deters many M type camera users. Just look at all the lenses that are adapted to the EVF enabled M cameras. 
Nor does Leica, historically speaking. The V mount accommodated lenses up to 800 mm. 

That makes no sense, but then what do either of us know?

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 A narrow view, my lads.  The M was quite a universal tool, in fact still can be. Why make things like Visoflexes and V-mount lenses from 60 to 800 mm otherwise? Why even think about EVFs?  Only in this century has it been turned into a religion with some users. 

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