costa43 Posted April 23 Author Share #1501 Posted April 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 41 minutes ago, TeleElmar135mm said: I feel the same way - for years we have been "fighting" for a slim M that is as "thick" as the analogue models. Why should we take a step back now? And sometimes (not only with bif) only electronic shutter is not the best solution... and for example the Z9 "only" has 45 MP. With the Ms 60+ MP, fast reading becomes more problematic again... but I also don't want to know what happens if you reduce the MPs again with the new M. It's definitely a conundrum on how Leica can improve on the image quality of the current sensor. There is no full frame sensor to my knowledge (being used by another camera manufacturer) out there at the moment that beats this one on resolution and dynamic range which I guess means they use the same sensor, sacrifice image quality for speed or hold off till there is something else available. My guess is the latter. I'm assuming Leica's biggest market for M are the existing users, they must entice us to drain our bank accounts! Edited April 23 by costa43 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Biotar Posted April 23 Share #1502 Posted April 23 An M lens at f/5.6 can be focused more accurately with the rangefinder than with an EVF. Why is this great advantage of the RF always ignored here? Let everyone try it with an SL3 - an M lens on the EVF is no fun in the long-term, because the constant stopping down and up and then with focus magnifier is just annoying and is no longer M. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted April 23 Share #1503 Posted April 23 vor 13 Minuten schrieb Biotar: An M lens at f/5.6 can be focused more accurately with the rangefinder than with an EVF. You should be more precise about different focal lengthes: I can focus a 35mm even at f/1.4 more quickly and more precisely with the optical rangefinder than with the EVF. When I recently compared the performance of different 1:3.5/50mm Elmars I relied on the EVF and was astonished that my results were so inconsistent: even at f/3.5 there was too much DOF to trust EVF’s focus peaking. Though with 135mm I am sure that the optical rangefinder won’t give me a chance to focus correctly at f/3.4 to f/5.6 - the EVF is miles ahead. Though you might pose the question what is the typical lens used with an M-camera: 35 or 135mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 23 Share #1504 Posted April 23 38 minutes ago, Al Brown said: Because most folks here are 70+ with failing eyesight and shaky hands, hence the EVF and IBIS desires. The typical LUF member: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5790980'>More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 23 Share #1505 Posted April 23 That´s Jono with the M11-V! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted April 23 Share #1506 Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, evikne said: The typical LUF member: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Good grief, that's exactly what I'm becoming 🫣😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted April 23 Share #1507 Posted April 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hee hee! I'm just picturing the new Auxiliary Messsucher Module Attachment, and how it will look clamped on top of the EVM for those folks who primarily want the EV, but occasionally want the optical system (unlike I who prefer just the opposite). I'm picturing the coupling, too.... Best of all, It'll be gifted with some glorious German compound name..... I won't even attempt it here.... And it will come in at a glorious tariffed price! It'll be the next Frankenfinder! And, by the way, I almost always shave. Usually. Edited April 23 by DadDadDaddyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted April 23 Share #1508 Posted April 23 (edited) 36 minutes ago, UliWer said: You should be more precise about different focal lengthes: I can focus a 35mm even at f/1.4 more quickly and more precisely with the optical rangefinder than with the EVF. When I recently compared the performance of different 1:3.5/50mm Elmars I relied on the EVF and was astonished that my results were so inconsistent: even at f/3.5 there was too much DOF to trust EVF’s focus peaking. Though with 135mm I am sure that the optical rangefinder won’t give me a chance to focus correctly at f/3.4 to f/5.6 - the EVF is miles ahead. Though you might pose the question what is the typical lens used with an M-camera: 35 or 135mm? Well, the typical lens used is probably 35mm or 50mm, maybe followed by a 28mm. I guess we can all agree on that and I have no problem focusing these focal lengths with the rangefinder. Anyone who has real problems focusing 28mm - 50mm probably needs to think about a new system. The fact that you can use longer or wider and still focus with the rangefinder patch doesn't mean that it's easy to do so. I have long given up on 'longer and wider', and use the SL3 for that, but it means two camera bodies. I have tried the Visoflex, but it's nowhere near as good as the EVF on the SL3. Could the M EVF replace both cameras? Possibly, but I doubt the results would be as good as the SL3. Even if the resolution of a M EVF matches (or surpasses) the SL3 the latter will most likely produce better in-focus images if only because of the auto focus option. All of which leads me to think that the M EVF is trying to answer a question that only a small minority are asking. Edited April 23 by T25UFO 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted April 23 Share #1509 Posted April 23 11 minutes ago, evikne said: The typical LUF member: I didn't remember we had met! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 23 Share #1510 Posted April 23 Anyone here live in Crete or other favorite stumps of Jono? Ot just try to find a camera at one of the restaurants he frequents.😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 23 Share #1511 Posted April 23 Just happen to think , maybe Elmars is in Italy where he often goes to test new gear prior to announcement. Someone just follow him from his home in Niederrhein. Common folks let's get some imagination working for us and take the initiative.🤑 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexx Posted April 23 Share #1512 Posted April 23 26 minutes ago, algrove said: Anyone here live in Crete or other favorite stumps of Jono? Ot just try to find a camera at one of the restaurants he frequents.😁 Was thinking about going there over the Easter break, but we went to Eivissa (Ibiza town) instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 23 Share #1513 Posted April 23 18 minutes ago, algrove said: Anyone here live in Crete or other favorite stumps of Jono? Ot just try to find a camera at one of the restaurants he frequents.😁 All his shared Lightroom albums, like this one, use to have geotagged images with maps. Just press "i" on an image for Info. Here you might find some tips on where he tends to go. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted April 23 Share #1514 Posted April 23 Leica Store Miami sent out an email notifying of May 1st price increases due to Tariffs This Tariff nightmare could not have come at worse time for Leica is my guess (not that there is any good time), but they were/are possibly about to launch a new product soon. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 23 Share #1515 Posted April 23 vor einer Stunde schrieb algrove: maybe Elmars is in Italy where he often goes to test new gear prior to announcement. Someone just follow him from his home in Niederrhein. Sorry, in June I will travel to England. Does this mean there is no M11-V? Anyway I will watch out for spies. 😎 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 23 Share #1516 Posted April 23 1 hour ago, elmars said: Sorry, in June I will travel to England. Does this mean there is no M11-V? Anyway I will watch out for spies. 😎 OK so this time you are testing in England. Or could it be that you have finished your testing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted April 23 Share #1517 Posted April 23 vor 1 Minute schrieb algrove: OK so this time you are testing in England. Or could it be that you have finished your testing? that is a good indication that the M11-V is waterproof 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23 Share #1518 Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Biotar said: An M lens at f/5.6 can be focused more accurately with the rangefinder than with an EVF [...] I take it that you don't use focus magnification. With this feature on, my Visolex 2 can focus easily my 30+ M-mount lenses from 12mm to 135mm, except in extreme darkness and contre-jours conditions. This at working aperture from f/1.4 to f/11, so f/5.6 is a simple test actually. As for knowing if the RF is more accurate, it depends on human, optical and mechanical factors. For me, the EVF is always more accurate when using focus magnification but it is a personal thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 23 Share #1519 Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, lct said: I take it that you don't use focus magnification. With this feature on, my Visolex 2 can focus easily my 30+ M-mount lenses from 12mm to 135mm, except in extreme darkness and contre-jours conditions. This at working aperture from f/1.4 to f/11, so f/5.6 is a simple test actually. As for knowing if the RF is more accurate, it depends on human, optical and mechanical factors. For me, the EVF is always more accurate when using focus magnification but it is a personal thing. If you move the focus ring in a particular range and the sharpness stays equal, then you cannot focus correctly. If you detect a sharpness difference with every slight movement of the focus ring, then you can focus properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 23 Share #1520 Posted April 23 vor einer Stunde schrieb algrove: OK so this time you are testing in England. There will be two new models. In England I will test the one with the shutter release on the left side. The German model is a cooperation with Deutsche Bahn: It comes later. (Sorry a joke only for us German). 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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