mboerma Posted March 24 Share #1001 Posted March 24 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, raizans said: Because the best body and sensor stack for M lenses is an M, not an SL. You have that already: an M. So that is my point. Why the need for an EVF? Or IBIS? That brings you to an SL. I don’t see the added value. Just reduced value, in the case of a build in EVF replacing the Messucher. Edited March 24 by mboerma 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted March 24 Share #1002 Posted March 24 Funny how it can be difficult to understand that some M lens users may want a mirrorless camera dedicated to their lenses. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #1003 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Really? - none of my manual lenses do.... M camera, M lenses,remember? The qualification "most EVF cameras" typically does not refers to an M but to a Sony, Fuji, Canon, or Nikon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted March 24 Share #1004 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: Will you still be perplexed when it is launched? I will yes, as the CEO of Leica has said as long as he is running Leica it will be a RF. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted March 24 Share #1005 Posted March 24 42 minutes ago, lct said: Funny how it can be difficult to understand that some M lens users may want a mirrorless camera dedicated to their lenses. A Leica M? Dedicated for M lenses and mirrorless since conception. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted March 24 Share #1006 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, raizans said: Tell that to Leica. There is no need as the CEO has said it won't happen. That is not to say that there will not be a new body that will accept M lenses necessarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1007 Posted March 24 Advertisement (gone after registration) 49 minutes ago, SrMi said: The qualification "most EVF cameras" typically does not refers to an M but to a Sony, Fuji, Canon, or Nikon. The title of the thread refers to M lenses which people use on many cameras, That is what the thread is about. Not one M lens has an automatic aperture…M lenses are used on many brands of EVF cameras, especially the SL series as they are designed for the use. Anyway I am not aware that Canon, Nikon, Sony or Fuji offer manual lenses for their EVF cameras. Using an automatic lens in manual mode is not the same thing at all. So: focusing an M lenses is not very hard for most photographers and if you use magnification if needed enhanced by focus peaking, is extremely precise. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24 Share #1008 Posted March 24 27 minutes ago, mboerma said: A Leica M? Dedicated for M lenses and mirrorless since conception. You mean rangefinders? We have that already. What i find curious is the difficulty some people seem to have to comprehend that M lens users may not be interested, or not only, by rangefinders. For them, included old M users like me, what is interesting in the first place is not the rangefinder but the lens. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #1009 Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, jaapv said: The title of the thread refers to M lenses which people use on many cameras, That is what the thread is about. Not one M lens has an automatic aperture…M lenses are used on many brands of EVF cameras, especially the SL series as they are designed for the use. Anyway I am not aware that Canon, Nikon, Sony or Fuji offer manual lenses for their EVF cameras. Using an automatic lens in manual mode is not the same thing at all. So: focusing an M lenses is not very hard for most photographers and if you use magnification if needed enhanced by focus peaking, is extremely precise. My post was a reply to your claim (it was quoted in my post): "That is challenging on all EVF cameras and still people use them with manual lenses" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted March 24 Share #1010 Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, lct said: You mean rangefinders? We have that already. What i find curious is the difficulty some people seem to have to comprehend that M lens users may not be interested, or not only, by rangefinders. For them, included old M users like me, what is interesting in the first place is not the rangefinder but the lens. You said mirrorless. There is know mirror in an M like in an (D)SLR. I’m an old M user too. For me the lenses are also the most interesting. But what I notice in this thread is that people try to push SL tech into an M body. I don’t get that. It’s a waste of time for the small company of Leica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1011 Posted March 24 18 minutes ago, SrMi said: My post was a reply to your claim (it was quoted in my post): "That is challenging on all EVF cameras and still people use them with manual lenses" Correct. So not with automatic lenses set to manual. And yes, people do use those cameras with manual lenses, be it M lenses or vintage SLR lenses or modern Chinese all- manual ones…Let’s stop baseless heckling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #1012 Posted March 24 11 minutes ago, jaapv said: Correct. So not with automatic lenses set to manual. And yes, people do use those cameras with manual lenses, be it M lenses or vintage SLR lenses or modern Chinese all- manual ones…Let’s stop baseless heckling. IIRC, there are fully manual (third-party) lenses for Sony and Nikon (with electronic contacts) that apply automatic aperture stop-down (AASD). If I do not have AASD on a lens, time permitting, I use the widest aperture to focus. One can verify whether focusing wide open is necessary by focusing stopped down and then opening wide to verify focus (assuming lenses without relevant focus shift). I occasionally focus stopped down and take an image. If I have time, I recheck the focus wide open; most of the time, I need to fix the focus a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1013 Posted March 24 If they apply automatic aperture through electronic contacts they are not manual lenses like M lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5776486'>More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 24 Share #1014 Posted March 24 What do the Messucher police say about all of the manual lenses that Voigtländer, TTartisan, Laowa, etc. make for mirrorless? People don’t seem all that frustrated, confused, or ruffled about them. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #1015 Posted March 24 2 hours ago, jaapv said: If they apply automatic aperture through electronic contacts they are not manual lenses like M lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, not all manual lenses are like M, but you talked about manual lenses, not M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1016 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, raizans said: What do the Messucher police say about all of the manual lenses that Voigtländer, TTartisan, Laowa, etc. make for mirrorless? People don’t seem all that frustrated, confused, or ruffled about them. Why should they? Such lenses have been part of the Leica universe for ninety years… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1017 Posted March 24 2 hours ago, jaapv said: If they apply automatic aperture through electronic contacts they are not manual lenses like M lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes, not all manual lenses are like M, but you talked about manual lenses, not M lenses. Now you are going to include all lenses with an AF/MF switch, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted March 24 Share #1018 Posted March 24 Just saw the GFX100RF news. Messucher police would certainly book those who've made up the false "RF". And the f/4 lens? Maybe that's your EVF camera...:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcaslis Posted March 24 Share #1019 Posted March 24 1 minute ago, setuporg said: Just saw the GFX100RF news. Messucher police would certainly book those who've made up the false "RF". And the f/4 lens? Maybe that's your EVF camera...:) Absolutely not!!! 😱 I want an M sized body with M build quality with high resolution EVF working with Leica M lenses. What I find interesting is the assumption that the EVF is implemented like all other EVF cameras. What I would do is replace the OVF rangerfinder and viewfinder windows with camera sensors (like from a smartphone) and create a literal digital rangefinder where the input to the EVF is from those two sensors and create a digitized view that can help those with aging sight providing magnification and other highlights. It would really be a rangefinder since there is nothing that says the rangefinder has to be mechanical instead of digital. I don't really expect this but I would do this for several reasons not least is nobody can copy this just by putting an M lens on a Sony body, and it silences (somewhat) those claiming blasphemy that it's not a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #1020 Posted March 24 (edited) 52 minutes ago, jaapv said: Now you are going to include all lenses with an AF/MF switch, I suppose. A manual lens is typically specifying a lens without AF. P.S.: I am aware now that a "manual lens" could also mean a lens without any automatic (like AASD). Edited March 24 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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