Smogg Posted March 24 Share #981 Posted March 24 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 minutes ago, jaapv said: Do they? They might want to make the camera as attractive as possible for buyers outside the small sub-niche of Leica M owners who don't want an optical range/viewfinder. That has to do with the commercial viability. Otherwise it might meant a limited special edition @ xx.xxx,00 $$ Or no camera at all... Miracles do happen, of course, and the Sony A1 sensor could theoretically be in this camera along with IBIS and the absence of a mechanical shutter. But I don't believe in such a large amount of happiness at one time 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted March 24 Share #982 Posted March 24 33 minutes ago, Smogg said: IBIS is not as important as the focusing method that will be offered to us in the new camera. This method will either be the key to success or will bury the project. I think it's too important to be buried, but this is their first attempt, so there will undoubtedly be opportunities for improvement and development in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted March 24 Share #983 Posted March 24 I don't get why people want an SL3 in the form factor of an M. A hybrid VF I would understand to eliminate the need of a Visoflex. But that would be as far as I would go until I would choose an SLx camera with adapter. But of course, to each his/her own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24 Share #984 Posted March 24 (edited) [deleted] Edited March 24 by lct 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted March 24 Share #985 Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, mboerma said: I don't get why people want an SL3 in the form factor of an M. A hybrid VF I would understand to eliminate the need of a Visoflex. But that would be as far as I would go until I would choose an SLx camera with adapter. But of course, to each his/her own. Nobody needs an SL in M form. A simple change of form factor without a proposed way to focus wide lenses and lenses with a closed aperture will not work. Only a few will buy such a camera. Even a large screen will not save it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24 Share #986 Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, Smogg said: [...] A simple change of form factor without a proposed way to focus wide lenses and lenses with a closed aperture will not work [...] It works on the M11 with Visoflex 2 already so i would not worry about this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #987 Posted March 24 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, lct said: It works on the M11 with Visoflex 2 already so i would not worry about this. For most photographers, EVF/LCD focusing with closed aperture does not work precisely enough and is a major concern. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted March 24 Share #988 Posted March 24 8 minutes ago, lct said: It works on the M11 with Visoflex 2 already so i would not worry about this. No, it doesn't work now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 24 Share #989 Posted March 24 (edited) I admit that an M without mech shutter is an oddity... but IF they can arrange IBIS by saving the space needed by mech shutter... ok I think they do the right thing : to make a camera that "smells of M" but trades RF/OVF for very useful features like IBIS , can be the way to keep alive the M form factor outside of we old M-ers 😉 Edited March 24 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #990 Posted March 24 59 minutes ago, Smogg said: Nobody needs an SL in M form. A simple change of form factor without a proposed way to focus wide lenses and lenses with a closed aperture will not work. Only a few will buy such a camera. Even a large screen will not save it. That is challenging on all EVF cameras and still people use them with manual lenses. There are digital focus aids and focus confirmation aids as well. Not that they are really needed. I use M lenses down to 12 mm. And the ones that have decent corners - mine happen to have them render perfectly sharp images on my SL2S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexx Posted March 24 Share #991 Posted March 24 Sigh… I knew I should’ve kept 28/2 Cron and sell only M240/M6 before getting Q3. If this M11-V is a real thing, I’d go back to M and 28 Cron. I guess the pricing will be interesting. In the recent years the price of M has gone up a lot. Not having RF this would pretty much be Q3 without AF in M body. But knowing Leica, it won’t be “affordable”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24 Share #992 Posted March 24 25 minutes ago, Smogg said: No, it doesn't work now. Yes it does, for me at least, and it could hardly be more easy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #993 Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, jaapv said: That is challenging on all EVF cameras and still people use them with manual lenses. There are digital focus aids and focus confirmation aids as well. Most EVF cameras use manual lenses with automatic aperture stop-down: you focus wide open, the aperture closes to working aperture when pressibg the shutter. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #994 Posted March 24 Just now, lct said: Yes it does, for me at least, and it could hardly be more easy. It is easy but not precise enough for most. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24 Share #995 Posted March 24 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: It is easy but not precise enough for most. Precise enough for me including for pixel peeping at 60mp. Edited March 24 by lct 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 24 Share #996 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, mboerma said: I don't get why people want an SL3 in the form factor of an M. A hybrid VF I would understand to eliminate the need of a Visoflex. But that would be as far as I would go until I would choose an SLx camera with adapter. But of course, to each his/her own. Because the best body and sensor stack for M lenses is an M, not an SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted March 24 Share #997 Posted March 24 I am perplexed by this entire thread as an 'M' with an EVF would not be an 'M'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 24 Share #998 Posted March 24 Tell that to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 24 Share #999 Posted March 24 16 minutes ago, JNK100 said: I am perplexed by this entire thread as an 'M' with an EVF would not be an 'M'. Will you still be perplexed when it is launched? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #1000 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Most EVF cameras use manual lenses with automatic aperture stop-down: you focus wide open, the aperture closes to working aperture when pressibg the shutter. Really? - none of my manual lenses do.... M camera, M lenses,remember? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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