SrMi Posted March 23 Share #961 Posted March 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, raizans said: Fuji’s digital split-image focusing works like on an SLR: the sections are all blurry when you’re out of focus, and the amount of shift displayed is based on PDAF info. I’d be happy if the focusing patch just showed a magnified view, and that its position was either eye-controlled or based on AI subject recognition (something that doesn’t require a focus spot joystick). IBIS would help stabilize the magnified patch as well. The precision of a magnified view's focusing technique decreases as the aperture closes. We need a system that allows precise focusing even with the aperture closed. Leica M11 already has live view stabilization, which helps focusing with a magnified view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sumolux Posted March 23 Share #962 Posted March 23 On 3/4/2025 at 5:05 PM, nicci78 said: My Leica store confirms that Leica M with EVF and M-mount is coming this summer alongside a new Noctilux-M 35mm f/1,2 It will look like a Q without lens. If it looks like a Q, talks like a Q and walks like a Q, then it must be a Q. A Q with interchangeable lenses was often fantasized by people online. If priced between the Q and M, it would make good sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 23 Share #963 Posted March 23 Zoom plus focus peaking in the patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 23 Share #964 Posted March 23 36 minutes ago, sumolux said: If it looks like a Q, talks like a Q and walks like a Q, then it must be a Q. A Q with interchangeable lenses was often fantasized by people online. If priced between the Q and M, it would make good sense. A camera with an interchangeable lens does not talk like a Q. A camera with lenses without AASD (automatic aperture stop down) does not walk like a Q. So, it is not a Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 23 Share #965 Posted March 23 22 minutes ago, raizans said: Zoom plus focus peaking in the patch? It's not good enough for lenses with AASD (all M lenses). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted March 23 Share #966 Posted March 23 (edited) If it’s a M body with a blank front plate design and the EVF from the Q jammed into it, count me out. Ugly and boring. I am hopeful it will be much more than that. Edited March 23 by dkmoore 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted March 23 Share #967 Posted March 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, Smogg said: I don't quite understand how this effect was achieved. Is there really another camera with a micro lens in the front that produces a second image and is positioned offset like a rangefinder? I didn't want to divulge, but... Must buy with an M-V lens... the M11-V has medium format sensor. So the lens and sensor see in Medium Format as does the EVF... so can see outside the frame in the EVF... but can only download Full Frame (60MP) images. Old M lenses will work, but will not be able to see outside of FF EVF image. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted March 23 Share #968 Posted March 23 15 minutes ago, Tseg said: I didn't want to divulge, but... Must buy with an M-V lens... the M11-V has medium format sensor. So the lens and sensor see in Medium Format as does the EVF... so can see outside the frame in the EVF... but can only download Full Frame (60MP) images. Old M lenses will work, but will not be able to see outside of FF EVF image. If this is true, means a larger camera which is also blah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 24 Share #969 Posted March 24 What's the aperture limit of PDAF? Around f/8? How's that compare to other methods like magnification and focus peaking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 24 Share #970 Posted March 24 Found this informative post: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1686879/0&year=2021#15497337 Quote https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00059736 F6.3 - NEX 5R, 5T, 6 F6.3 F8 - A7, A7II, A7RII, A7RIII F11 - A5100, A6000, A6300, A6400, A6500, A6600, A7III, A7C, A7SIII, A7RIV F16 - A9, A9II If the M11-V has PDAF pixels, it could conceivably offer focus confirmation with a lens stopped down to f/16! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 24 Share #971 Posted March 24 (edited) [deleted] Edited March 24 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #972 Posted March 24 13 hours ago, MediaFotografie said: not possible because L lenses are nearer to the body Not if the body has the thickness of the CL and the camera comes with an M adapter - plus accessory Leica red-dotted Superglue for the purists @ 170 $ a bottle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee S Posted March 24 Share #973 Posted March 24 (edited) I wonder how good they can make the EVF if as I suspect they will keep the bottom half of M body and just put an EVF in the top plate. The Sony A7RC II has a 2.36M dot OLED viewfinder with 0.7x magnification, that’s less than the Visoflex 2 and about the same as the M11 rear screen. Unless the viewfinder has some amazing additional focus aids beyond peaking you aren’t getting much improvement over the rear LCD and/or visoflex. I still find the rangefinder very easy to focus and accurate for 28-50mm on axis composing and can live with the rest LCD screen for critical wide open off axis focus. Edited March 24 by Lee S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted March 24 Share #974 Posted March 24 It's coming in May or June so not long for us to wait now. I'm still feeling it'll be without any kind of OVF and EVF only with the front looking like a Q without a window there. What I'm more interested in is the other items getting released too like the limited M11-P and 35mm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted March 24 Share #975 Posted March 24 (edited) This EVF thread set me to digging out my Panasonic DMC-GX8 and blow the dust off of it. I hardly use the camera but it's battery was still at 80% despite the long sleep so I played around with it for a while.............It really is a great camera, I should use it more. I am not a fan of EVF's of any flavour they all, as I've said before, lie but for sure they do have their place and use. Anyway the GX8 has a number of really desirable features that I am quite sure will not make it over to the well rumoured Leica V / EVF that's surely on it's way, features like an orient-able viewfinder, an adjustable diopter for the viewfinder, the LCD screen that plays in a number of ways including front facing, back facing and completely closed off, a reasonably good AF, a form of IBIS that also couples, doubles-up, with IS in some lenses too. The controls are very well laid out and intuitively sensible, and of course interchangeable MFT lenses of which there are many available. The camera has a good form in the hand too being slim sort of like a M. Sure it's MFT rather than full frame but I have made pretty decent A2 sized prints out of reasonably cropped files. Ok, a bit of a love letter to my dusted off GX8 that will see less hibernation life now I've re-discovered it but what I want to say is that the perhaps forthcoming Leica M-V / EVF will have to have some really attractive extra "hooks" other than it's "bling" factor to justify what is certain to be a rather high price point to set it above what else is out there in the market place, new or second-hand. Ok there will be the ability to mount M lenses, and doubtless the 60mb sensor too, but will that be enough for whatever price point it'll land in? I'm not sure, I will not be in line though, that, as much as it goes in our Leica-verse, is a certainty. Edited March 24 by Smudgerer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
la1402 Posted March 24 Share #976 Posted March 24 The M11-V by looks and name suggests more or less just a M11 with an EVF? So very limited chances for IBIS? I would have hoped for a redesign that is a bit bolder.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted March 24 Share #977 Posted March 24 There'll be no IBIS. It's an M and despite the EVF (which goes against the name) They want to keep it as close to an "M" as possible and also in dimensions too and not make it too fat and tall. The rumours have been going on a long time so they've been working on this a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted March 24 Share #978 Posted March 24 IBIS is not as important as the focusing method that will be offered to us in the new camera. This method will either be the key to success or will bury the project. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 24 Share #979 Posted March 24 Many people have asked for such a camera long time, so I think it would be great for those. If you do a lot of ultra wide angle and/or focal lengths longer than 75 I can see the attraction to have a camera in the formfactor of the M11, but with a built in evf (compared to visoflex, which makes the body more bulky). One thing I wallways loved of the M is the ovf without lag and without blackout, plus seeing out side the frame. I hope the EVF delay will be as short/fast as possible to keep some part of the M-DNA. Personally i think I prefer the rangefinder when using M, and using an AF camera If I use EVF. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24 Share #980 Posted March 24 34 minutes ago, rxj said: There'll be no IBIS. It's an M and despite the EVF (which goes against the name) They want to keep it as close to an "M" as possible and also in dimensions too and not make it too fat and tall. [...] Do they? They might want to make the camera as attractive as possible for buyers outside the small sub-niche of Leica M owners who don't want an optical range/viewfinder. That has to do with the commercial viability. Otherwise it might meant a limited special edition @ xx.xxx,00 $$ Or no camera at all... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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