IkarusJohn Posted February 16 Share #581 Posted February 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) The one irritation using an EVF with the M10-D is you can’t turn off focus peaking. It can be very distracting trying to get sharp focus with the magnification, when everything is covered in snow. Leica has no intention of turning off focus completely with the M10-D apparently. Very annoying. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted February 16 Share #582 Posted February 16 M10-D with OVF, handheld (for those wanting EVF and IBIS), with 50 APO Summicron-M. Olafur Eliasson exhibit at the Auckland Art Gallery (fabulous). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5758699'>More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 16 Share #583 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said: I’ve used focus peaking on multiple cameras multiple times, and it has never worked for me (cue @lct & @jaapv). I find the EVF almost useless with M wides - the depth of field is so thick, I can’t confidently work out the best plane of focus - and no, “walking” focus peaking back and forth with a 28 Summaron-M on a TL2 or an SL does not result in best focus. Neither the OVF nor the EVF is universally better, one than the other. For the M, I mostly prefer the OVF, but I accept that the subjects in my photos will tend to be in the centre, and not accurately framed (I tend not to worry too much about the edges in that case. But, the OVF is fast and generally accurate, until you want to focus a Noctilux or 75 Summilux wide open. Then I use the EVF - the automatic magnification is great, and I can move the magnification point if I have the time. It isn’t fast. EVF? Well, it works well with the SL and X2D, but that’s with AF. Exposure simulation, off-centre focusing, accurate framing and no focus shift are advantages, but they come at a cost. I don’t miss looking down the barrel of an SLR … With practice with both EVF and OVF, the OVF is definitely faster, but the EVF has its uses - I carry my Visoflex with me whenever I take either my TL2 or my M10-D. It’s a ugly thing, spoils the look of the camera and catches in the bag if I leave it on; but it’s useful. I lost the first one after it fell off somewhere … I must admit I LOVE using my M lenses on my SL3 or SL3S in manual mode where I get magnification with the back button. Something like that on an M would be delicious to use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 16 Share #584 Posted February 16 46 minutes ago, raizans said: “Focusing a wide angle lens with the aperture stopped down on an EVF with focus peaking is impossible.”—People on the Internet lct: You were saying? Go tell that to my restless grandchildren. M11, Visoflex 2, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2.8. Blurred for privacy sorry. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5758706'>More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 16 Share #585 Posted February 16 45 minutes ago, Smogg said: @lct How to shoot this on EVF? People don't stand still. (28/f8) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Scale focusing by feel is just as easy on EVF. Pull the tab like usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 16 Share #586 Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, lct said: Go tell that to my restless grandchildren. M11, Visoflex 2, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2.8. Blurred for privacy sorry. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Why did you use Visoflex in this case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 16 Share #587 Posted February 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, Smogg said: Why did you use Visoflex in this case? Because it was there i guess. I could have removed it for i don't know what interesting purpose, thinking of the forum perhaps but the time to do it and the moment was lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 16 Share #588 Posted February 16 Looking through my photographs what I'm struck with is there is nothing I feel I can't do with the OVF that an EVF would make better, and not just be a distraction to making an image, no matter the focal length or the movement. It does take practice though. Years. But when it comes to the essence of the M, I feel that the need for an EVF is a distraction, a solution looking for a problem. Sure if one needs to use super long lenses or macros, there are better solutions. But the wide open frame line view, with subjects moving about, is pretty hard to beat when it comes to composing and knowing what can be put into the frame (or left out). It's as quick as you want it to be, and leaves you in ultimate control. Below: 28, 75, and 135. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5758712'>More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 16 Share #589 Posted February 16 19 minutes ago, lct said: Go tell that to my restless grandchildren. M11, Visoflex 2, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2.8. Blurred for privacy sorry. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! You seem to be setting yourself limitations vs looking at the possibilities. Children are not restless 24/7, and sometimes even out of focus can be used for intent. Learn to rack focus while the moment is happening - you may miss the first shot, get the second, and then miss the third. Taking lots of photos, finding unique moments, and being fluid is key. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 16 Share #590 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: You seem to be setting yourself limitations vs looking at the possibilities. Children are not restless 24/7, and sometimes even out of focus can be used for intent. Learn to rack focus while the moment is happening - you may miss the first shot, get the second, and then miss the third. Taking lots of photos, finding unique moments, and being fluid is key. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Great shots!👏 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted February 16 Share #591 Posted February 16 vor 2 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn: I’ve used focus peaking on multiple cameras multiple times, and it has never worked for me (cue @lct & @jaapv). I find the EVF almost useless with M wides - the depth of field is so thick, I can’t confidently work out the best plane of focus - and no, “walking” focus peaking back and forth with a 28 Summaron-M on a TL2 or an SL does not result in best focus. Neither the OVF nor the EVF is universally better, one than the other. For the M, I mostly prefer the OVF, but I accept that the subjects in my photos will tend to be in the centre, and not accurately framed (I tend not to worry too much about the edges in that case. But, the OVF is fast and generally accurate, until you want to focus a Noctilux or 75 Summilux wide open. Then I use the EVF - the automatic magnification is great, and I can move the magnification point if I have the time. It isn’t fast. EVF? Well, it works well with the SL and X2D, but that’s with AF. Exposure simulation, off-centre focusing, accurate framing and no focus shift are advantages, but they come at a cost. I don’t miss looking down the barrel of an SLR … With practice with both EVF and OVF, the OVF is definitely faster, but the EVF has its uses - I carry my Visoflex with me whenever I take either my TL2 or my M10-D. It’s a ugly thing, spoils the look of the camera and catches in the bag if I leave it on; but it’s useful. I lost the first one after it fell off somewhere … agree! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 16 Share #592 Posted February 16 I respect what you say but i don't see what EVFs have to do with distraction sorry. I've been shooting RFs for 30+ years, then RFs + EVFs for about 10 years, those are just different tools one may like or not. I happen to like both and i see no reason why M lens users would have to use one rather than the other. Matter of tastes, skills or whatever. YMMV. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 16 Share #593 Posted February 16 2 hours ago, lct said: I respect what you say but i don't see what EVFs have to do with distraction sorry. I've been shooting RFs for 30+ years, then RFs + EVFs for about 10 years, those are just different tools one may like or not. I happen to like both and i see no reason why M lens users would have to use one rather than the other. Matter of tastes, skills or whatever. YMMV. I don’t disagree - each has its use. My first rangefinder was in the 1960s, and my first EVF of any real use or quality was the SL - both have their benefits. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 16 Share #594 Posted February 16 The rangefinder police are here to tell you that you’re not allowed to want a built-in EVF on an M-mount camera, even though they offer an accessory EVF for M-mount cameras, and also lens adapters to use M-mount lenses on other cameras that have EVFs. 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted February 16 Share #595 Posted February 16 In the position of using M lenses on rangefinder Ms (film and digital) and also on the SL (typ601) with the Leica M-Adapter L I can see the strengths and weaknesses of both types of viewfinder. A significant factor in deciding what to carry is of course the additional weight of the SL hence I can see why a digital camera with EVF and native M-mount could be attractive. I did look at the option of putting the adapter onto a CL but was put off by the smaller sensor and the fact that the camera is discontinued. I take it from some comments on this thread that it is assumed Leica already decided what to do but if we put that to one side, an interesting question from a camera engineering point of view is whether it would be better to remove the OVF and rangefinder mechanisms from an M digital to be replaced with an EVF, or to adapt the Q-series model by replacing the fixed lens with an M mount and thereby take advantage of the electronic functions already present in the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jul Posted February 17 Share #596 Posted February 17 The 100th birthday Leica I reissue is a fullframe digital camera with a form factor reminescent of its illustre ancestor. Like the 28mm summaron reissue, it now sports a M mount instead of the M39 mount the standardized evolution of the Leica I was issued with and two accessory shoes as in the last incarnations of the I serie. Along comes a new visoflex with smaller size, higher resolution, 1X magnification and no perceptible latency. The 100th birthday Leica I reissue digital version and the new visoflex won't take much place in your photo bag and are the perfect companions to your traditional OVF M camera for those cases a WYSIWYG approach is preferred. Pre-order opening soon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jul Posted February 17 Share #597 Posted February 17 I forgot to add that the upgrade program in force until the fifties/sixties of the last century will be resumed. Thanks to the modularity of its construction, you will be able to factory convert your Leica I reissue into its subsequent models instead of buying a new camera every few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichie Posted February 17 Share #598 Posted February 17 3 hours ago, John Robinson said: In the position of using M lenses on rangefinder Ms (film and digital) and also on the SL (typ601) with the Leica M-Adapter L I can see the strengths and weaknesses of both types of viewfinder. A significant factor in deciding what to carry is of course the additional weight of the SL hence I can see why a digital camera with EVF and native M-mount could be attractive. I did look at the option of putting the adapter onto a CL but was put off by the smaller sensor and the fact that the camera is discontinued. I take it from some comments on this thread that it is assumed Leica already decided what to do but if we put that to one side, an interesting question from a camera engineering point of view is whether it would be better to remove the OVF and rangefinder mechanisms from an M digital to be replaced with an EVF, or to adapt the Q-series model by replacing the fixed lens with an M mount and thereby take advantage of the electronic functions already present in the Q. It makes sense to go either way doesnt it ! A Q with an M mount [or L and adaptor] or M with EVF. I think overall I would prefer the Q with M/L mount and just leave the M as it is [which becomes the CL in full frame]. I imagine if they went the Q route they would still sell more M bodies as people would buy lenses etc for their Q_M and be tempted to 'upgrade'. It wouldn't be the end of the world if the Q_M just got the SL3S sensor either [for me anyway]. I imagine most people would be happy then - the traditional M owners, and the M owners who want to use their M lenses in a compact native body with an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 17 Share #599 Posted February 17 (edited) So, let’s see. The Q is a fixed lens camera, where the sensor, leaf shutter lens and processor are all designed and developed as a single optimised unit, with an EVF and AF? Have I missed anything? To make that an interchangeable lens system for M lenses, exactly what would be left of the Q? The EVF? To put in an L mount, same question, but you’ve just made a mini-SL? Still need to redesign the mount and the processor; again, all you have left is the EVF. Where the putative EVF-M camera is “just” and M camera with the OVF substituted for an EVF, I’m not really sure the Q is relevant, unless Leica manages to shrink the new M to that size …. Edited February 17 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 17 Share #600 Posted February 17 Autofocus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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