jaapv Posted January 16 Share #1 Posted January 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wanted to try it out, using a deliberately out of focus SL2S 24 MP image. However after about five minutes calculating the processing time, the app decided that it would need 18 minutes. I run a Mac Mini M2Pro, 32 Gb, Sequoia 15.2 , which for non-Mac users is about the fastest there is, only a couple of Mac Studios for heavy-lifting Video are faster. So I cancelled and reported to Topaz and this was the answer: Quote Hello, Thanks for reaching out to us! Super Focus is not meant to be used on all images. If your image is not out of focus and you only need to sharpen it, you need to use the Sharpen tool under "Add enhancement" (Blue button). This is to recover a special image that you missed the focus and that you don't have another take, hopefully not a complete photoshoot. Super Focus is currently in Beta mode, and we might be able to improve the speed in the future, but 18 minutes seems normal for this tool. Let me know if you have any other questions 🙂 Keeping an eye out for your reply, And after I inquired how folks running more standard computers might be able to use this tool without spending hours the answer was: Quote That's why the minimum requirements for that tool are pretty high Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I doubt whether this tool will be used very much, if at all... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Topaz Super Focus (beta). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
erudolph Posted January 16 Share #2 Posted January 16 Regarding Super Focus, which I've tried a few times with approximately the same result as @jaapv, it doesn't want to see large files, such as the size of the raw files produced by Leica cameras. Also, doesn't it look like Topaz is trying to create another profit center by selling Cloud-based rendering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 16 Share #3 Posted January 16 I just wonder: Why not run the model over night and then report here about the result? Is it worth it? Dies it result in a usable image? Just yesterday: For a magazine they choose out of hundreds of images an image just that image that was shot 11 years ago and was very noisy (at the time I brightened up some parts of the picture) and not as sharp ad I would have liked it to be. I tried then to "improve" it and run it first through Topaz Denoise AND in an alternative try through Lightroom Classic Denoise (the new feature). Then in a second step I wanted to add Topaz Sharpening. But the result was not usable as elements of the image like houses far away in the background were not houses any more but rather unrecognisable colour spots. In this case if I had the Beta tool from Topaz I would have gladely waited for some 20 minutes if I could expect a decent result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16 Author Share #4 Posted January 16 That is exactly the situation it is meant for. It is included in Topaz Photo AI which in my case has replaced Denoise and Sharpen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 16 Share #5 Posted January 16 Thank you very much. Unfortunately I did not renew my subscription (or is it a one time fee?). I have still access to the other modules of Topaz (LR Plugins) but not Topaz Photo AI. I wonder if I should give me a push. But I imagine that I would need it very rarely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 16 Share #6 Posted January 16 I just tried it with TOPAZ Photo AI. It seems that I had just to log-in. However I am in the tool now and tried it out. But unfortunately I cannot see that described Beta functionality . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 16 Share #7 Posted January 16 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I use Topaz Photo AI for sharpening and face recovery but I prefer Adobe for Denoise. Not that Topaz Denoise is worse - they're are similar in outcome - but there are real benefits in the simplicity of batch processing several hundred images in Lightroom overnight and ending up with .dng files with previous non-destructive edits intact and editable. I also find Topaz a bit flaky when batch processing large numbers of files - it has crashed on me a few times. But it's worth it for the sharpening tools, which I use on a single image basis, not batch. Adobe hasn't done anything similar with its sharpening tools - I expect they'll do that eventually. Edit. Sounds like Super Focus of a few hundred images might take some time....... Edited January 16 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 16 Share #8 Posted January 16 vor einer Stunde schrieb M11 for me: I just tried it with TOPAZ Photo AI. It seems that I had just to log-in. However I am in the tool now and tried it out. But unfortunately I cannot see that described Beta functionality . . . I am wrong unfortunately. I am still with an old version and would have to upgrade . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16 Author Share #9 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I use Topaz Photo AI for sharpening and face recovery but I prefer Adobe for Denoise. Not that Topaz Denoise is worse - they're are similar in outcome - but there are real benefits in the simplicity of batch processing several hundred images in Lightroom overnight and ending up with .dng files with previous non-destructive edits intact and editable. I also find Topaz a bit flaky when batch processing large numbers of files - it has crashed on me a few times. But it's worth it for the sharpening tools, which I use on a single image basis, not batch. Adobe hasn't done anything similar with its sharpening tools - I expect they'll do that eventually. Edit. Sounds like Super Focus of a few hundred images might take some time....... As a general tool I can recommend Photo AI. The denoising is clearly better than Denoise AI and the sharpening is about the same as Sharpen AI with the same artifacts. Sharpen AI gives more control, though. I tend to run my image through Photo AI at the beginning of my workflow and apply as needed. Quite efficient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 16 Share #10 Posted January 16 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jaapv said: As a general tool I can recommend Photo AI. The denoising is clearly better than Denoise AI and the sharpening is about the same as Sharpen AI with the same artifacts. Sharpen AI gives more control, though. I tend to run my image through it at the beginning of my workflow and apply as needed. Quite efficient. Thanks - I didn't realise that Topaz Photo AI and Topaz Denoise AI produced different results - I assumed they would be the same AI engine. Nevertheless it was Topaz Photo AI I compared to Adobe Denoise (the AI tool) and found comparable in outcome. I find the masking in Photo AI to be handy - so I don't try to sharpen things that should be OOF. Edited January 16 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16 Author Share #11 Posted January 16 They both denoise excellently but I like the resulting detail better in Photo AI. All subjective of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted January 16 Share #12 Posted January 16 (edited) I've use Super Focus with mixed results. It us useful in trying to salvage an OOF shot and is sometime successful and sometimes not. Typically I use it on a subject mask rather than the full image. My Windows PC is configured for 4K video production, so lots of video RAM on my GPU. Usually Super Focus will complete in 5-8 minute in my use. Edited January 16 by Luke_Miller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 16 Share #13 Posted January 16 4 hours ago, jaapv said: As a general tool I can recommend Photo AI. The denoising is clearly better than Denoise AI and the sharpening is about the same as Sharpen AI with the same artifacts. Sharpen AI gives more control, though. I tend to run my image through Photo AI at the beginning of my workflow and apply as needed. Quite efficient. (I just ran another test to confirm the observation below) Based on all my usage, I disagree that Photo AI does better denoising than Adobe's Denoise. I get better (more accurate) results with Adobe's tool. Adobe's Denoise is more practical and quicker. If you use ACR, you do not even require an extra file. The worst is Photo AI's recovery of faces (which can be used together with noise reduction), which replaces a face with something scary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16 Author Share #14 Posted January 16 I never mentioned Adobe…Denoise AI is a Topaz app. I’ve never needed face recovery so I have no opinion there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 16 Share #15 Posted January 16 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: I never mentioned Adobe… Sorry, I read Denoise AI as (Adobe's )AI Denoise 🤣. Since I got Photo AI, I forgot about Topaz Denoise AI. Edited January 16 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16 Author Share #16 Posted January 16 I’ve only used Adobe’s product once or twice To me it looked about the same level as Topaz. In my experience DXO has the best results. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 16 Share #17 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, jaapv said: I’ve only used Adobe’s product once or twice To me it looked about the same level as Topaz. In my experience DXO has the best results. I found DxO suboptimal in the one example I shared. There may be cases where DxO performs better, so I keep updating DxO tools. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHatt Posted January 21 Share #18 Posted January 21 An out of focus blade of grass treated with Topaz super focus …. Left to run, It’s an improvement but … well you decide Worth mentioning heavily cropped, taken hand held in windy conditions Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418600-topaz-super-focus-beta/?do=findComment&comment=5743975'>More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 21 Share #19 Posted January 21 Hey , if the alternative is to live with the out of focus image, I think 18 minutes is quite short time. I render a lot of video and film and sometimes my project render days. so I have no problems with 18 minutes. And in future with new processors this time will come down. I think it’s a very nice addition to any images shot in the past to. I did some testing at some of my Nikon D200 material and it was impressive what topaz was able to deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted April 11 Share #20 Posted April 11 I was really disappointed with the misfocus on this shot so not thinking it was recoverable I went to Topaz and gave the face recovery a go. I thought I had only selected one face, the main subject but the app has tried to give eyes and sharp glasses to the people in the background. One is left with a weird image if its inspected closely but it did sharpen the girls face. I only use Topaz on rare occasions and Adobe Denoise mostly along with ACR with the sharpen module at the end of processing. . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418600-topaz-super-focus-beta/?do=findComment&comment=5784724'>More sharing options...
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