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vor 28 Minuten schrieb helged:

+1. You may also delete "in this year": The lens has been dor ant since the time of the road marks...

.. you mean this road (-book)?.

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I have it on good authority that Leica is working hard and succeeding at reducing turnaround times. We should see improvements in the coming time. 

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Let’s stick to English please. Nur Englisch bitte. 

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It's a last resort AFAIC.  My feelings are coloured by those with expensive (D)SLRs rattling away like machine guns at weddings and other occasions where the photographer, pro or amateur, should be

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20 minutes ago, robb said:

What does the group think the SL3-s will be priced at?  
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The SL2-S was priced a couple of hundred pounds below the SL2.

Is there industry convention that a higher res body must cost more than a low res equivalent? Even if the low res body is more practical/desirable/popular?

If the sensor is a new generation with better PD AF, faster read-out, as well as better low light performance, then Leica might feel justified in charging more this time.

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If it is in the region of 30mp, it could be a version of the one in the a7iv. Seems to be a very well received sensor if so. My guess is that it will come in under the price of the SL3 but not by a huge amount. Not so much due to its capabilities but just because of market perception that higher mp = higher price. 

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i don't believe 30mp. Panasonic rumors say 24mp https://www.l-rumors.com/

Sony stayed 12-24mp in very long time. FX3 is only 12mp.

Beef up the internal processing power. More bits and depth like BlackmagicRAW/Prores/ARRI profile.

Wanna more mpx? SL2, SL3.

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5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Is there industry convention that a higher res body must cost more than a low res equivalent? Even if the low res body is more practical/desirable/popular?

A higher-resolution sensor is more expensive than a lower-resolution sensor. A higher-resolution camera may also need more memory and processing to handle more data.

A 24MP stacked sensor like the one in the a9III would be nice, but I am not sure it is available for other clients. The 33MP sensor is the same generation as the 60MP sensor, so it makes sense for SL3-S to use it if it stays with Sony BSI sensors.

 

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2 minutes ago, helged said:

Hopefully SL3-S comes with a faster 24mp sensor compared to the one used in Lumix S5II, having a read out/rolling shutter of (about) 22 ms. And an electronic front-curtain shutter, please...

If it is stacked, no EFCS would be necessary 😁.

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On 12/25/2024 at 4:33 AM, dsalamena said:

Isn’t the Apo Summicron 24mm still missing? One would suppose that this would be the next SL lens as it was included in the original roadmap 

I got tired of waiting and picked up the 21 APO.   I had reservations because I had tried the SIgma 21 ART 1.4 and the stretching at the edges was a dealbreaker for that lens.  The 21 SL is about as perfect a wide angle as you could ask for.  It acts more like a wide normal.  With the SL3 I can easily crop an image to 24mm (and even ~32mm in APS-C mode in a pinch is fine) and it easily matches the image quality of the 35 and 75 APO.  

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I'm perfectly happy with my SL3, which wasn't exactly the case with when I had the SL2.  I ended up using the SL2-S as my main camera for a few years and loved it.  I'm tempted by the SL3-S.  If I can get richer low light files and better AF performance, especially in low light, it may be worth exploring since I had always found that with the APO Summicron-SL lenses and the 24MP sensor of the SL2-S I could still crop significantly without too much image compromise, as it rendered like a much higher resolution image.  With the SL3 I always keep things in the mechanical shutter range because even on dynamic portraits I could see facial distortion from rolling shutter.  I do more candid and event style shooting than studio or "slow" work, so it may be worth grabbing.  

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10 hours ago, Dr. G said:

I'm perfectly happy with my SL3, which wasn't exactly the case with when I had the SL2.  I ended up using the SL2-S as my main camera for a few years and loved it.  I'm tempted by the SL3-S.  If I can get richer low light files and better AF performance, especially in low light, it may be worth exploring since I had always found that with the APO Summicron-SL lenses and the 24MP sensor of the SL2-S I could still crop significantly without too much image compromise, as it rendered like a much higher resolution image.  With the SL3 I always keep things in the mechanical shutter range because even on dynamic portraits I could see facial distortion from rolling shutter.  I do more candid and event style shooting than studio or "slow" work, so it may be worth grabbing.  

A rolling shutter speed of 20+ ms of the SL2-S and SL3 sensors are (much) too slow; I therefore hope that SL3-S is much improved in this respect. Plus improved continuous AF, as well as higher max fps with AF. 

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I don't think anyone - besides Sony and Canon - has a stacked censor ? I don't think either Canon or Sony will sell it to anyone at this time. It's really a shame I wanted the SL3s to be a really good video camera. And AF like the competitors. It will probably be 4-5 years before Sony sells the stacked censor when they have global censor in all their cameras.

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38 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said:

I don't think anyone - besides Sony and Canon - has a stacked censor ? I don't think either Canon or Sony will sell it to anyone at this time. It's really a shame I wanted the SL3s to be a really good video camera. And AF like the competitors. It will probably be 4-5 years before Sony sells the stacked censor when they have global censor in all their cameras.

Nikon Z9/8 are stacked. Nikon Z6 III is partially stacked.

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All here dreaming about stacked sensors and fast readout speeds... when has Leica come out with something beyond what other companies are offering?

101% it will not be stacked, nor have fast read out speeds nor it will have great autofocus.

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4 minutes ago, Malabito said:

when has Leica come out with something beyond what other companies are offering?

  • M9 (first full frame mirrorless, long before Sony, let alone anyone else)
  • SL (best EVF)
  • Q (no equivalent concept even now)

...then one can argue subjective opinions about the SL Apo lenses, colour science, UI etc

I suspect you mean sensor tech and AF, and I would agree with you. It's an important aspect (everyone has their favourites), but not the only one in the workflow involved in taking a photo.

But I can't think what they could produce in the SL3-S that is likely to be startlingly new - I would have expected that in the SL3.

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17 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:
  • M9 (first full frame mirrorless, long before Sony, let alone anyone else)
  • SL (best EVF)
  • Q (no equivalent concept even now)

I suspect you mean sensor tech and AF, and I would agree with you

Leica (Leitz) also developed the first AF tech, but sold it to Minolta.

Let’s also not forget the 35mm camera format popularization.

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