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Leica SL3-S Incoming?

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I have it on good authority that Leica is working hard and succeeding at reducing turnaround times. We should see improvements in the coming time. 

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Let’s stick to English please. Nur Englisch bitte. 

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It's a last resort AFAIC.  My feelings are coloured by those with expensive (D)SLRs rattling away like machine guns at weddings and other occasions where the photographer, pro or amateur, should be

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Leica hasn't said anything about an SL3-s, but Panasonic execs have said that they are working on a replacement for the Lumix S1H, which is their 24MP cinema hybrid. I suspect that the SL3-s and S1Hii (or whatever it is called) will be very similar on the inside, and quite different on the outside.

Coincidentally, I see that the current S1H and SL2-s sell for very similar prices at B&H.

 

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I had a love hate relationship with the SL2-S: It was too large as a general carry camera, but boy!, the low light stills performance was amazing.

I feel I sold the SL2-S a bit too early preempting the replacement, so if the SL3-S keeps to the same story, I would buy as soon as available. The addition of the tilt screen and PDAF will make it a video monster.

No interest whatsoever in the current suite of 60 Mpixel M/SL/Q cameras.

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I really hope they keep the 24MP or worst case figure out how to slightly increase it without impacting low light. I just love the colors, noise, etc out of this camera especially at high ISO and with low light. I know it was mostly marketed as a hybrid/video camera, but it is such a fantastic camera to use with small M lenses. I can't see myself upgrading to the SL3-S unless they maintain these features. I would love to have that flip screen I must admit.

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2 hours ago, Crem said:

I really hope they keep the 24MP or worst case figure out how to slightly increase it without impacting low light. I just love the colors, noise, etc out of this camera especially at high ISO and with low light. I know it was mostly marketed as a hybrid/video camera, but it is such a fantastic camera to use with small M lenses. I can't see myself upgrading to the SL3-S unless they maintain these features. I would love to have that flip screen I must admit.

Increased resolution does not impact noise in a relevant amount. Increased resolution typically impacts readout speed negatively.

There is little difference in low-light/noise between SL3 and SL2-S.

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4 minutes ago, rxj said:

Yup again people not believing me just like with the Q3 43. ;)

Your OP said “guess”. Sure we believe you…….🙂

However I have no doubt that Leica Rumors saw your post and decided it was close enough to treat it as a ‘rumor’. Now we in turn can quote LR as evidence to amplify this thread. 

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26 minutes ago, rxj said:

Yup again people not believing me just like with the Q3 43. ;)

Yeah, I spend my time wondering about your credibility. 🤪 Hopefully it’s higher than the LR site, which has been a mixed bag over the years, badly missing at times.
 

I merely added it here as a related article, particularly since Peter wrote that it would come in a few months, which I guess I missed in your investigative reporting.

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17 hours ago, SrMi said:

Increased resolution does not impact noise in a relevant amount. Increased resolution typically impacts readout speed negatively.

There is little difference in low-light/noise between SL3 and SL2-S.

Does it impact color quality/accuracy? At the end of the day what I care about is the quality of the raw files at higher ISOs. The SL2-S files are by far my favorite to work with. The other day I realized I took a keeper at ISO 9000 (auto ISO) and it was underexposed by a stop. Even when corrected in post the output file looked fantastic: great colors and nice looking noise.

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19 hours ago, Crem said:

Does it impact color quality/accuracy? At the end of the day what I care about is the quality of the raw files at higher ISOs. The SL2-S files are by far my favorite to work with. The other day I realized I took a keeper at ISO 9000 (auto ISO) and it was underexposed by a stop. Even when corrected in post the output file looked fantastic: great colors and nice looking noise.

Typically, the higher resolution, the better the tonality, color and detail, as least when comparing the same technology level. There can be problems with a lower signal to noise ratio at the most extreme settings. Often people will look at a high resolution camera and and low resolution camera, zoom in to 100% and declare that the lower resolution camera has less noise. But that is not accounting for the difference in output size. You need to sample the higher resolution camera down in order to compare fairly.

When it comes to camera sensors, one can think of the megapixels as the number of samples. In a 24mp camera you have 24 million readings of what color and intensity the light hitting a pixel sized area is. In a 60mp camera you have 60 million samples. Since a bayer matrix does not read each pixel individually, but looks at the information from each of the surrounding pixels to make a "guess" about the color and intensity of the pixel, the more samples the more accurate the guess. How does this translate into pictures? More samples means better guesses, which means smoother tonality, more nuanced color, less aliasing and moiré and more accurate detail.

People tend to think of megapixels as only resolution, and then say "well, I never print bigger than X, so I don't need that many megapixels". That might be true, but megapixels are not about detail alone. I also think sensors are so much better these days that the noise performance has more do to about how the manufacturer tunes a sensor, rather than the sheer number of pixels.

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58 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The same was said about the SL3-S following the S5ii............

True, but in that case, dates did not match. The S5II was released in January 2023, the SL2-S in arrived March/April 2021, only two years of difference. But Leica is on a 4 years cycle, so I’d expect the same pattern here, with an announcement in Dec 2024/Jan 2025

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