Did the May 2024 firmware update 2.1.1. solve your M11 freezing problems?

[Jeff S]

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I liked it better when Leica focused on “the essentials,” leaving complexity to other makers. Seems on/off is a good place to start.  

Less is more… more (often) seems frozen.

Jeff

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[lct]

28 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

So what happens when you have lens detection set to off but you attach a 6-bit coded lens? It automatically activates lens detection [...]

My M11 doesn't do that with coded lenses. Lens detection stays off as long as i don't turn camera off or as long as i don't change the lens otherwise, which i never do (my tip 1). I don't use lens detection off for coded lenses anyway. My aim is uncoded lenses i cannot pen code and i don't want to code manually.

[Malabito]

So once again i get upside down images.... never had them with the previous firmware, it's the second time i go out and come back home with a set of ~10 images in a roll all upside down.... 

Considering the sl3 issues and the m11 issues, i can only think of two things, either leica offshored all of its software development to reduce cost, and it backfired, or they have a terrible management on the product/software development part....

Edited July 6, 2024 by Malabito

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, lct said:

My M11 doesn't do that with coded lenses. Lens detection stays off as long as i don't turn camera off or as long as i don't change the lens otherwise, which i never do (my tip 1). I don't use lens detection off for coded lenses anyway. My aim is uncoded lenses i cannot pen code and i don't want to code manually.

But can you see how someone who wants lens detection to not activate when they would change from an uncoded lens to a 6-bit coded lens isn’t served well by the current way lens detection functions? I don’t expect you to say you agree, only that you can imagine a different use case than your own.

On a side note, it sounds like you’re saying you don’t power off your camera to change lenses, is that correct? Quite bold.

Edited July 6, 2024 by hdmesa

[hdmesa]

9 minutes ago, Malabito said:

So once again i get upside down images.... never had them with the previous firmware, it's the second time i go out and come back home with a set of ~10 images in a roll all upside down.... 

Considering the sl3 issues and the m11 issues, i can only think of two things, either leica offshored all of its software development to reduce cost, and it backfired, or they have a terrible management on the product/software development part....

I hope they didn’t outsource the firmware programming. Having worked for a company where we outsourced some key functions to another, less reliable company, that is an insanely difficult position to have put yourself into.

[lct]

4 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

But can you see how someone who wants lens detection to not activate when they would change from an uncoded lens to a 6-bit coded lens isn’t served well by the current way lens detection functions? I don’t expect you to say you agree, only that you can imagine a different use case than your own.

I can't imagine how such a situation could actually happen sorry.

[hdmesa]

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4 minutes ago, lct said:

I can't imagine how such a situation could actually happen sorry.

You can’t imagine people have use cases other than your own?

I think I discovered why we can’t come to an understanding.

[lct]

I just said i cannot imagine that the situation you're describing could actually happen. This does not mean it cannot happen in the real world, just that i cannot imagine how or why. Could you give me a concrete example? Just asking but forget it if this bothers you.

Edited July 6, 2024 by lct

[lct]

36 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

[...] it sounds like you’re saying you don’t power off your camera to change lenses, is that correct? Quite bold.

I seem to have said that lens detection stays off as long as i don't turn camera off or as long as i don't change the lens otherwise, which i never do (my tip 1). Should i elaborate?

 

[hdmesa]

56 minutes ago, lct said:

I seem to have said that lens detection stays off as long as i don't turn camera off or as long as i don't change the lens otherwise, which i never do (my tip 1). Should i elaborate?

 

I think I understand everything quite clearly, but thank you.

[elmars]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Malabito:

once again i get upside down images.... never had them with the previous firmware,

There were upside down images in all firmware versions. That You had none does not mean there were none. 

[Malabito]

2 hours ago, elmars said:

There were upside down images in all firmware versions. That You had none does not mean there were none. 

I never said there weren't any before. I said I never had them before (that's different). I am just highlighting that because some people are saying that the new firmware was supposed to fix the upside-down images, and I am having them.

[Knorp]

On 6/29/2024 at 2:44 PM, Knorp said:

Saturday 29th of June - 131 shots : no issues

Sunday 7th of July - 345 shots : no issues

[Aperture 2]

On 6/23/2024 at 10:20 AM, Aperture 2 said:

Hello, I have updated information - the problem is NOT the SD card.

Today, I tried to use again my M11-P (first time since my lasts posts) and the camera froze again.

The important part is that there was no SD card inside, only internal memory.

L-RAW only, no WIFI Photos (to avoid issues), no credentials, no perspective, single shut etc. the most basic configuration possible.

Cycling the battery did not change anything.

In desperation I changed the lenses (Summilux 28 to Summilux 50) and the camera waked up ?!

Could it be just a coincidence or could it be that mistake during the lenses code reading (lenses not totally well positioned ??) block all ?

Something needs to be done fast about this...it is not manageable as a user.

 

Note: I never complained about Leica cameras...but this is not acceptable

 

Hello, today I took my camera for a Sunday morning walk…and it froze at second picture.

It was unblocked after taking out the battery and wait maybe half minute.

I now suspect it is something to do with the sleep/wake-up or shutdown/startup process.

In any case the last 3 times I took my M11P camera to walk it froze.

My camera is totally new and I have done less than 100 pictures.

What can I say ? I regret my M10, I’m sad and angry on the people that messed this rollout.

I hope heads will roll at Leica responsible team, or the external subcontractor to be sunk by penalties.

I have reset the camera to factory settings and reformat card and internal memory…what else can I do ?

What I do not understand is how some people make hundreds of pictures without issues and I have them each time ??

Sorry for this post…

Edited July 7, 2024 by Aperture 2

[lct]

27 minutes ago, Aperture 2 said:

what else can I do ?

Return it if you can and if you regret yours, pick another M10.

[AndersPH]

1 hour ago, Aperture 2 said:

Hello, today I took my camera for a Sunday morning walk…and it froze at second picture.

It was unblocked after taking out the battery and wait maybe half minute.

I now suspect it is something to do with the sleep/wake-up or shutdown/startup process.

In any case the last 3 times I took my M11P camera to walk it froze.

My camera is totally new and I have done less than 100 pictures.

What can I say ? I regret my M10, I’m sad and angry on the people that messed this rollout.

I hope heads will roll at Leica responsible team, or the external subcontractor to be sunk by penalties.

I have reset the camera to factory settings and reformat card and internal memory…what else can I do ?

What I do not understand is how some people make hundreds of pictures without issues and I have them each time ??

Sorry for this post…

Have y updated to last firmware? This make me stay away from M11 ..until it fixed

[hdmesa]

First freeze under 2.1.1 today with the M11M. This was a day after a full camera reset to try and understand an unrelated camera behavior, but it meant I’ve been shooting today with slightly different settings (I don’t write down or save user profiles, so after a reset it takes me a while to catch and change all the minor settings back to what I had before). 

First thing that started happening before the freeze was the shutter button would not take the shot without a second or third press. Then after a few shots with this behavior, I tried to playback an image that was just taken, and the image was black, but the menu bars were still showing — camera had frozen. Turning off the camera turned off the screen, but the red light on the back stayed lit and would not turn off. Had to pull the battery.

Interestingly, I had made a few changes to my settings before the freeze, including the zoom amount in magnified live view, etc., all preferences the camera remembers the next time. After the freeze and reset, the camera reverted back to the state it was in at the last power up. I can only assume that either the camera doesn’t write settings changes until shutdown (in which case they can be lost if there is a freeze at shutdown), or Leica has added a safety net that reverts back to the last saved settings after a freeze.

Another peculiar behavior I noticed after this is turning off FOTOS connectivity at first only turned off Wi-Fi and not Bluetooth because the Wi-Fi icon was gone, but a Bluetooth icon was still showing. I had to turn off the camera and turn it back on for the Bluetooth icon to go away. Not sure if that is normal or not.

[hdmesa]

To continue…

Im trying to think of all the settings that were different from the state in which the camera froze compared to all the days prior in which I had never had a freeze under 2.1.1. There’s no way to know if any one or combination of these settings had anything to do with the freeze unless at some point I can recreate the issue. That gets difficult to troubleshoot, especially if it is a combination of several of these settings at issue.

What was different when the freeze happened versus before when I had no freezes:

FOTOs connectivity = on

Focus peaking = on 

Exposure metering = Highlight Weighted (previously had been using only Center or Multifield)

Lens detection = off (previously was exclusively using a manual M profile)

Info profile = histogram activated (in addition to menu bars)

Zoom magnification in live view = default/minimum zoom level

Could be worth noting the shutter non-responsiveness that occurred right before the freeze happened after I changed the magnification in live view zoom to the maximum amount. 

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[marchyman]

13 hours ago, elmars said:

There were upside down images in all firmware versions. That You had none does not mean there were none. 

I don't remember any upside down images on my M11 using any version of firmware, but it is such a non-issue to me that I might have had some and forgot.  I've had upside down images on most of the cameras I've owned.  The worst offender is possibly the camera built into my iPhone.

[brickftl]

to the people still experiencing freezes/corrupt files after 2.1.1: can you tell me what was the build date of your camera?

I just bought a mint used M11-P with fairly recent build date of 12/23. The seller says it's upgraded to 2.1.1 and he has never experienced issues with the approximately 600 shots taken with it.