lct Posted May 10, 2024 Share #261 Posted May 10, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would not bet that the Leica Rumours' picture bears the least resemblance with the M12. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted May 10, 2024 Share #262 Posted May 10, 2024 14 minutes ago, lct said: I would not bet that the Leica Rumours' picture bears the least resemblance with the M12. I hope not! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted May 10, 2024 Share #263 Posted May 10, 2024 If they take the buttons away it’s a dealbreaker for me. Winter with no physical buttons is not fun. A well implemented hybrid viewfinder would be awesome though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted May 10, 2024 Share #264 Posted May 10, 2024 12 hours ago, colint544 said: What jumps out at me is the reduced - by 3mm - height of the new camera. This would finally bring it down to the dimensions of an M2/3/4/6. If they could get the screen flush instead of protruding, as it has on every digital M so far, they might be onto a winner. If they could also make a kind of curtain that you could pull in front of the screen and hide it completely, I would also consider such a camera. It could mean the end of the D-series though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 10, 2024 Share #265 Posted May 10, 2024 (edited) Here we go just as I thought the M12 thread would die off. Edited May 10, 2024 by algrove 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 10, 2024 Share #266 Posted May 10, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, ksrhee said: Furthermore, to make the RF viewfinder into a hybrid viewfinder might be a technical challenge that is not feasible . . . Leica tried, as Stefan Daniel has explained, calling it a “no-go” that resulted in unacceptable compromises to both viewing approaches (maintaining RF) given space constraints. Jeff Edited May 10, 2024 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snz Posted May 11, 2024 Share #267 Posted May 11, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) These rumours are by no means the next M12. That would be too radical. It may be an EVF variant of the M or a completely new system that can take M lenses, but it will be a new type of camera where Leica can experiment with new features and usability ideas. But the M is the opposite of "fancy new stuff, let's go wild". 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted May 11, 2024 Share #268 Posted May 11, 2024 (edited) I’m actually struggling to think of anything that currently exists, that is feasible to fit in an M and which I actually miss having. I suppose Ibis is the obvious one, but I’m unsure whether it would fit and whether the hit on battery life would really be worth it. Absent that, the M11-P has about everything I can imagine needing right now. Maybe a mechanical magnification at the press of a button in the viewfinder for the rangefinder patch. No idea if it could be done. Also, getting rangefinder guides as single focal lengths instead of pairs. Edited May 11, 2024 by Kiwimac 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 13, 2024 Share #269 Posted May 13, 2024 9 hours ago, Al Brown said: I just hope Leica dose not pull any of the "New Saab", "New Coke" or "Playboy without nudity" concepts with a future M12. History has taught us that this would be the toxic and potentially fatal losing existing customers in a desperate attempt to please new ones formula. Fingers crossed. At this point it's all speculation. Disturbingly, the speculation about the M12 does not seem to be headed in a healthy direction: Quote Leica M12 reportedly getting brand new operating concept, larger touchscreen and hybrid viewfinder https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leica-M12-reportedly-getting-brand-new-operating-concept-larger-touchscreen-and-hybrid-viewfinder.836093.0.html JMHO but if Leica makes this camera a TL12 rather than an M12, we are all going to regret it - including the Poo-Bahs at Leica HQ in Wetzlar. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 13, 2024 Share #270 Posted May 13, 2024 It's Leica Rumors, for Pete's sake 🤪😳😁😝 - the same folks who were sure there was going to be a compact digital M in 2017. That turned out to be the CL (APS sensor, EVF, L-mount) - nothing to do with M, except it could use the M-L lens adapter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 14, 2024 Share #271 Posted May 14, 2024 11 minutes ago, Al Brown said: As @adan said. BUT! the Rumors gentleman is clever. He intentionally puts out overblown and erratic rumors sporadically so everybody’s talking and mulling about it. Marketing 101. He just raids what he reads here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted May 14, 2024 Share #272 Posted May 14, 2024 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Al Brown: As @adan said. BUT! the Rumors gentleman is clever. He intentionally puts out overblown and erratic rumors sporadically so everybody’s talking and mulling about it. Marketing 101. Or he is perhaps Ferengi and this is "Rule of Acquisition" Nr. 12 But if I look at the posted pictures of the viewfinder (I hope they are fake) , it will be the first time in M-History that the view through the "nornal" viewfinder could be unsharp (1st row) - shocking. And the wamdering hybrid square is always at the wrong point (like the SL). This requires all new software - and software "never failed" in the M11 ... very interesting. Lucky who has a M2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted May 14, 2024 Share #273 Posted May 14, 2024 (edited) 21 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: At this point it's all speculation. Disturbingly, the speculation about the M12 does not seem to be headed in a healthy direction: JMHO but if Leica makes this camera a TL12 rather than an M12, we are all going to regret it - including the Poo-Bahs at Leica HQ in Wetzlar. Oh I don't know... I think a "no buttons on the back, no ISO dial" M12 will instantly convert the M11 from Pariah to the "last great M camera" 😀 Edited May 14, 2024 by Kwesi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted May 14, 2024 Share #274 Posted May 14, 2024 On 5/10/2024 at 5:55 PM, evikne said: If they could also make a kind of curtain that you could pull in front of the screen and hide it completely, I would also consider such a camera. It could mean the end of the D-series though. See Fujifilm X H2 It's exactly what you're looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksrhee Posted May 14, 2024 Share #275 Posted May 14, 2024 14 minutes ago, Kwesi said: I think a "no buttons on the back, no ISO dial" M12 will instantly convert the M11 from Pariah to the "last great M camera" 😀 I'll be keeping my M11-p forever since it will become a collector's item in the future . . . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted May 14, 2024 Share #276 Posted May 14, 2024 8 minutes ago, Stephen.s1 said: See Fujifilm X H2 It's exactly what you're looking for. Except that it isn't a Leica M. But I'm sure I'd like it if Leica managed to implement something like this in a discreet way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted May 14, 2024 Share #277 Posted May 14, 2024 This new button-free M12 sounds just like my old M11-Z concept: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/392395-m12-wishlist/?do=findComment&comment=5279614'>More sharing options...
fenykepesz Posted May 14, 2024 Share #278 Posted May 14, 2024 (edited) vor 17 Minuten schrieb Datsch: This new button-free M12 sounds just like my old M11-Z concept: i like (in general) das Zwinkern aspect in Z ! though i am not sure about those M12* - i think i may go with the new M11-D on coming Donnerstag... Edited May 14, 2024 by fenykepesz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted May 14, 2024 Share #279 Posted May 14, 2024 On 5/11/2024 at 12:36 PM, Kiwimac said: I’m actually struggling to think of anything that currently exists, that is feasible to fit in an M and which I actually miss having. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 17 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/392395-m12-wishlist/?do=findComment&comment=5279687'>More sharing options...
Edax Posted May 14, 2024 Share #280 Posted May 14, 2024 My crystal ball told me that the M12 will come without a charger... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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