lct Posted September 1 Share #701 Posted September 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) Being the flagship of the M system, the M12 cannot be a retro camera i'm afraid. A retro variant could work though if there are enough people to buy it at current Leica prices. Doubtfull to say the least. If one want a retro camera, there are plenty enough on the 2nd hand market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted September 1 Share #702 Posted September 1 The whole M shstick is retro. The biggest mistake Leica could make would be to chase Sony. Yes, make the best “retro” camera it can, but don’t try to make the M something it isn’t. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhasman Posted September 2 Share #703 Posted September 2 (edited) Leica M is like Porsche 911. There are always faster Honda or more luxury Maserati but who cares? There are always more megapixels, faster "bird and dog eye" autofocus, 10 more customizable bottoms, guess, your money and free market, so, buy it. Wish Leica M always stays its own way. Edited September 2 by mhasman 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeamosau Posted September 2 Share #704 Posted September 2 Exactly! Seems crazy to chase literally every other camera and brand. The SL can do this wonderfully and already exists in the Leica lineup. The M is a unique and niche camera, making it like everything else totally removes why it exists, and I would suggest, why it’s still successful. I certainly don’t see this as relegating, but solidifying and embracing what makes an M a totally different offering. My wish, since that is what this thread is about, is the M12 embraces this. Keep it simple, optical rangefinder first. A thin, light, beautifully built box to hold the wonderful manual focus lenses. A sensor with great colors, stable and user friendly OS. Some kind of sensor cleaning tech to actually removes the dust rather than just shows me where it already is. Great battery life and good high iso abilities. And if I can really wish, an option to order a M3 viewfinder magnification would be lovely. Oh, and brass black paint! (Come on Leica! Make me happy 😃). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted September 2 Share #705 Posted September 2 I’m popping across to Stralia tomorrow and packed my M kit. As I did, I reflected on the next M. Mine won’t be a 12 unless it’s so amazing that not getting one would be unthinkable. Probably won’t be that good so my next will probably be an M11M used. I do think the biggest problem in sales will be the price. Currently the two most expensive variants are close to NZ$19,000. I fully expect the 12 to top $20k. At that point, to borrow from Poker, I’ll probably fold as far as buying new bodies goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeamosau Posted September 2 Share #706 Posted September 2 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kiwimac said: I’m popping across to Stralia tomorrow and packed my M kit. As I did, I reflected on the next M. Mine won’t be a 12 unless it’s so amazing that not getting one would be unthinkable. Probably won’t be that good so my next will probably be an M11M used. I do think the biggest problem in sales will be the price. Currently the two most expensive variants are close to NZ$19,000. I fully expect the 12 to top $20k. At that point, to borrow from Poker, I’ll probably fold as far as buying new bodies goes. $20k! Strewth Crikey, Mate! (As a former Aussie, just helping you prep for the trip). Thats insane though. I don’t blame you. Edited September 2 by mikeamosau Crap spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 3 Share #707 Posted September 3 Advertisement (gone after registration) Today, I hedged my bets on the M12 by acquiring a late-production (2018) original M10 with low "mileage." Giving me three color M10s, plus an M10-M, which should see me at least through 2033. And probably longer. 😁 Should the M12 provide options for operating just like an M10, without any "tech-bro" bells and whistles, I will give it consideration when it arrives. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 10 Share #708 Posted September 10 (edited) I would like the M13/14 (there will be no M12 due to US licensing issues) to be the same as the M11-P (which is close to perfect) but have the following extras: wireless charging esim for cell data transfer to come up as external drive when plugged into macbook to be able to be an external drive over wifi for photo transfer to macbook/pc global shutter superimposed screen showing focus peaking, at user defined colour and density very controversial - do not read if easily offended - a video button for the emergency when you would like to do a little video. thats all! Edited September 10 by colonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted September 10 Share #709 Posted September 10 57 minutes ago, colonel said: (there will be no M12 due to US licensing issues) Do explain, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 10 Share #710 Posted September 10 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pedaes said: Do explain, please? What about the Leica M12? - Leica Rumors The M12 trademark seems to have been abandoned by Leica (all Leica trademarks can be found here). If you search for “M12”, there are many already-approved “M12” trademarks. The Leica M12 trademark status in the United States Patent and Trademark Office is currently listed as “active”. Perhaps the next Leica model will not be called the M12? As stated: "M12 is a trademark owned by Leica Camera AG, a N/A based entity . The trademark was filed on 10 Aug 2022 with serial number (#79352811) . The M12 trademark is filed in the category of Computer & Software Products & Electrical & Scientific Products. The mark is not being used in commerce yet. As of 29 Oct 2024, the trademark remains Dead/Abandoned, with a recent status, ABANDONED - FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE. The mark is represented by attorney Alexander Lazouski of law firm Alexander Lazouski Lazouski IP LLC." Edited September 10 by colonel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted September 10 Share #711 Posted September 10 3 minutes ago, colonel said: What about the Leica M12? - Leica Rumors So not a definite yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 10 Share #712 Posted September 10 1 minute ago, pedaes said: So not a definite yet! nothing is ever definitive in law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted September 10 Share #713 Posted September 10 Only thing that would make me part with my stable of m10s is if they would just make an m10 with a sensor that’s better in DR by 2 stops. (But not 60 mp - no more than 40, preferably 24-30). And a D version of that. I’m baseplate agnostic. But really, it’s basically a perfect model as is. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 10 Share #714 Posted September 10 Using relatively simple Ai technology it would be great if the M12 had a compositional assist overlay to ensure the image conforms to an established photographic paradigm, but with user override 'super-cliché' mode. With GPS it could also display via a map on the LCD where to find the nearest windmill, or boats bobbing in a harbour, or café, etc. Compositional image overlay assist could also warn between dangerous animals on a photo safari and those you can pet, or which of the locals look like they'll mug you or those that will only sell you a dodgy watch or offer 'extra services'. Perhaps with that in mind the M12 could have dual slots for an AirTag and a condom? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted September 10 Share #715 Posted September 10 Since one of the biggest wishes on here seems to be some kind of focus help for those 'aging eyes,' what about those aging backs? The M12 will have full time drone assist that carries the camera alongside you and then slots it into the (perfectly boring) 2m area of zone focus when one wishes to take a photo, wirelessly connected to your PC eyeglasses so there's no surprises after you've taken the photograph (unlike those pesky frame lines of old). As a bonus, the drone assist also does away with those annoying 'what bag should I carry' threads! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted September 10 Share #716 Posted September 10 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: Since one of the biggest wishes on here seems to be some kind of focus help for those 'aging eyes,' what about those aging backs? The M12 will have full time drone assist that carries the camera alongside you and then slots it into the (perfectly boring) 2m area of zone focus when one wishes to take a photo, wirelessly connected to your PC eyeglasses so there's no surprises after you've taken the photograph (unlike those pesky frame lines of old). As a bonus, the drone assist also does away with those annoying 'what bag should I carry' threads! More interesting will be the exoskeletons for long urban walks and hikes :): https://hypershell.tech/en-us/pages/hypershell-x-exoskeleton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted September 10 Share #717 Posted September 10 2 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: Since one of the biggest wishes on here seems to be some kind of focus help for those 'aging eyes,' what about those aging backs? The M12 will have full time drone assist that carries the camera alongside you and then slots it into the (perfectly boring) 2m area of zone focus when one wishes to take a photo, wirelessly connected to your PC eyeglasses so there's no surprises after you've taken the photograph (unlike those pesky frame lines of old). As a bonus, the drone assist also does away with those annoying 'what bag should I carry' threads! Sure, sounds wonderful.......but what bag would you like for your Sherpa drone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 10 Share #718 Posted September 10 (edited) 9 hours ago, pedaes said: Do explain, please? In the USA, the trademark "M12™ camera" is already in use. Since it is a digital camera, it probably is also a "Computer & Software Product & Electrical & Scientific Product." https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/2324-21 Therefore, that "trademark space" is already taken, for use in the USA - can't have two functionally-similar products trying to use the same trademark (that is kind of the whole idea of trademarks!) More commentary on the "EVF M rumored" thread's recent pages. Edited September 10 by adan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted September 10 Share #719 Posted September 10 (edited) My experience of the American approach to trademarks is to do everything it can to give all the power to the existing American owners. I once registered a patent in the UK successfully, when I ask a US firm (via a UK firm) to do the same after about £73,000 at current value they told me there was an existing patent (which was miles away from my inventive step) which had the clause 'and any other method to achieve the same' so my patent fell. Quite clearly bonkers to have 1. allowed that in the first place, 2. accepted it as a block. So nothing, no matter how remote would surprise me! What was enlightening was that I self patented the first one in the UK successfully, the follow on patents by the patent lawyers (who did a very good impersonation of being awfully clever) were rejected in the UK and the original patent rejected in the US at great expense. They extracted a lot of cash (which accounted for the exotic cars in the car park) without any result on my part whatsoever but a great deal for them. So actually they were awfully clever, albeit at self enrichment. Sorry off topic! Apologies if you're an IP lawyer, I was probably unlucky! Edited September 10 by Derbyshire Man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted September 10 Share #720 Posted September 10 I look forward to the M11+1 being released. Or perhaps the M1100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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