M12 wishlist

[Anbaric]

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2 hours ago, Edax said:

My crystal ball told me that the M12 will come without a charger...

No need for one!

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[Pelu2010]

On 4/6/2024 at 7:08 PM, ianforber said:

IBIS and the same battery used in the SL and Q series

That a good one ! 
these Battery changes are a nightmare if you switch Kameras and the SCL6 have plenty of power for the new camera. And with the possibility of charging the camera with a powerbank this would be awesome. 

[setuporg]

Fscking reliable SSD.

[Viv]

A fixed 35mm lens.

No screen.

A better meter.

[Carrot]

Put an M mount on the Q body, and don’t bother with the rangefinder

[IkarusJohn]

Let’s see - IBIS, AF, and a whole lot of other shit that I don’t need and is not really compatible with the M system.  Problem solved - I’ll never buy another digital M, and will suffer no GAS.

[Velo-city]

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After a few weeks of use and quite a number of shots:

- properly written firmware (and compatible hardware components) that isn’t flakey, slow, buggy and causing corrupt frames etc. alpha/beta tested by a more robust (and probably completely new) setup / team both externally and at Leica HQ.

- overhauled white balance that adheres to recognised standards for ‘normal colour’ including AWB and when importing into lightroom. Also user configurable WB offset.

- A bigger and more comfortable eyepiece with built in diopter. 

- Dual OVF / EVF. Or at minimum a heavily customisable OLED type overlay for framelines and other info. Use the framelines switch as toggle, or redesign a new one.

- a usb port and LED that isn’t on the base, so you can actually plug it in without leaving it precariously balanced or on the screen. 

- a usb connection that is less fussy, can charge off a Mac like any other device and you can access the internal and SD storage like any other device.

- tiltable screen that sits flush and definitely not like the ugly Q3 design. I like to shoot low angle and really miss this from my Fuji. 
 

- improved focus peaking, to be useable under more conditions, and including additional less saturated colour options like yellow and cyan. 

- ibis.

- change the iso dial to make it easier to lift up and harder to push back down. 

- slightly bigger thumb rest.   

- ability to put a custom exif tags for lens in use, including third party lenses - can literally be a list of strings of user text. 
 

- ability to turn off display profiles without having to disable everything inside them. 
 

- a small front ridge to improve ergonomics without external grips. 
 

- remove the ‘delete all’ from the image review screen - way too many options for something so destructive (and can do via format anyway).

- The final and most vital. A single menu option at initial setup - enabling ‘classic mode’. This option will disable all new features; EVF, physically lock the screen flush and disable it, IBIS, any many item relating to new features and put the OVF overlay into classic mode so it looks the same as the M11. The only way to ever see or use any new feature is to factory reset the camera and not select classic mode. 

That way people that don’t want the M to change to something more modern can keep it exactly as it is.  
 

Got a feeling might actually get one maybe of these in total. 

[IkarusJohn]

8 hours ago, Velo-city said:

properly written firmware (and compatible hardware components) that isn’t flakey, slow, buggy and causing corrupt frames etc. alpha/beta tested by a more robust (and probably completely new) setup / team both externally and at Leica HQ.

 

Probably only this one … hopefully.

[JNK100]

On 5/14/2024 at 8:53 PM, Anbaric said:

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Personally, I would prefer a four-slice version if it can be done without too much additional weight or heat emission.

[Anbaric]

1 hour ago, JNK100 said:

Personally, I would prefer a four-slice version if it can be done without too much additional weight or heat emission.

Much like the Leica 250 models from the screwmount era, this expanded model will probably become a collectors' item. Special orders only.

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[WvE]

Make the M12 analogue.

[jaapv]

14 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Probably only this one … hopefully.

Maybe better to make it manual exposure only, no LCD and traditional film-style ISO dial on the back. No kitsch like fake rewind knobs and winding lever, etc.  In short: an M6 Classic with the film replaced by Silicon. I would buy it.

[JNK100]

20 minutes ago, Anbaric said:

Much like the Leica 250 models from the screwmount era, this expanded model will probably become a collectors' item. Special orders only.

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I will get this once available in BP and made from unobtanium.

[IkarusJohn]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

Maybe better to make it manual exposure only, no LCD and traditional film-style ISO dial on the back. No kitsch like fake rewind knobs and winding lever, etc.  In short: an M6 Classic with the film replaced by Silicon. I would buy it.

At first, I disliked the whole idea of the faux winder; in use, it’s great.  Not wedded to it in future M versions.

I do wish Leica would return to the simplicity of the M system - an MP, with a fine digital sensor, no more than 24, 36 or 40 MP (depending, I suppose on what is the best available option in terms of DR).  Simple.  Nothing added; just an MP in digital.

[M8X2]

Classic rangefinder with only one frameline box displayed and a feature that indicates the spot in focus, at least within the overlay patch.

[IkarusJohn]

28 minutes ago, M8X2 said:

Classic rangefinder with only one frameline box displayed and a feature that indicates the spot in focus, at least within the overlay patch.

And, here we go again …

[M8X2]

vor 1 Minute schrieb IkarusJohn:

And, here we go again …

So I'm not the first with this idea?

[evikne]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Maybe better to make it manual exposure only, no LCD and traditional film-style ISO dial on the back. No kitsch like fake rewind knobs and winding lever, etc.  In short: an M6 Classic with the film replaced by Silicon. I would buy it.

This sounds like an M12-D. But it's fine by me. If the standard version lacks a screen, we don't need a D anymore.

[jaapv]

Not only a screen, but all gimmicks, even "A" 

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[IkarusJohn]

5 minutes ago, M8X2 said:

So I'm not the first with this idea?

No.

Single framelines and a focus spot have been discussed at least as long as I’ve been a member of the forum.  

My comment was slightly different - every time we suggest this or any other new camera, the number of additional options multiply exponentially!  No suprise that the M11 has ended up where it did - complicated beyond the capability of the processor and the skills of Leica’s software writers.  Perhaps this is the wrong place for this (or the right one, depending on your position).  Leica’s approach with the M system (until recently), and its enduring success, has been implementing only what is necessary.  Even the M11 still has the optical viewfinder, despite being challenged by the capability of its newer lenses and the tolerances of digital sensors.  The MP and M-A are the high point in film; Leica needds to achieve the same simplicity in digital.

What many of us really want is a camera with the best sensor for the application - that does not really mean more than 24MP.  However, that choice will be limited by what is available - I’d settle for the best dynamic range available in the 135 format.  Then, ISO & shutter speed on the camera, with an optical viewfinder in the original M form factor.

Sure, make more complex versions, but make this a D version with no screen - happy!  If it must have a screen, then at least make an S version, for simple.  Lose the baseplate if you must (don’t care).

Now, many may raise issues like white balance, tethering, EVF and other controls from the digital age.  Trying to do what is possible rather than what is necessary has got us to the M11. With available technology these days, provided the raw file is good, most can be corrected in post.  

A monochrome version would be good too!