Planetwide Posted March 20, 2024 Share #61 Posted March 20, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) SL & 24mm Summilux Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/390933-the-future-of-the-sl-system-and-why-there-is-no-roadmap-for-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=5117939'>More sharing options...
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Virob Posted March 20, 2024 Share #62 Posted March 20, 2024 I think Leica has learned their lesson about putting out lens roadmaps and will be more careful next time, if there is a next time. I get that things change, there are delays etc, but Leica could have been more transparent, to say timelines have changed, or an announcement product is being reevaluated. Much better than silence and allowing gossip to flourish. As for the 24mm, waiting for that, is only an exercise in frustration. If it is that important, there are several options including those from Sigma and Panasonic. If that isn’t good enough, then time to switch systems. I made a similar mistake with the 21, which thankfully did come to market , but waiting for a phantom lens is mistake I won’t be making again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted March 20, 2024 Share #63 Posted March 20, 2024 1 hour ago, jdlaing said: Me too. I know one. I have a friend with webbed toes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclectic Man Posted March 20, 2024 Share #64 Posted March 20, 2024 36 minutes ago, Virob said: I think Leica has learned their lesson about putting out lens roadmaps and will be more careful next time, if there is a next time. I get that things change, there are delays etc, but Leica could have been more transparent, to say timelines have changed, or an announcement product is being reevaluated. Much better than silence and allowing gossip to flourish. As for the 24mm, waiting for that, is only an exercise in frustration. If it is that important, there are several options including those from Sigma and Panasonic. If that isn’t good enough, then time to switch systems. I made a similar mistake with the 21, which thankfully did come to market , but waiting for a phantom lens is mistake I won’t be making again. Well, not wishing to be too cynical, but people are more likely to buy into a new system with a completely new lens mount if there is a 'roadmap' showing a whole load of luscious lenses appearing soon with names including 'APO' and 'ASPH'. Maybe the original 'roadmap' was genuinely intended as a 'best case if everything goes really well' scenario and got taken over by events, or maybe customer* feedback indicated so much more interest in a 21mm f2/ than a 24mm f/2 that Leica put their effort into the 21. * "customers" is an anagram of "curse most", not that that could possibly apply anyone who owns a Leica, we are all truly wonderful people, aren't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted March 20, 2024 Share #65 Posted March 20, 2024 (edited) I am not going to wait for the 24 SL Cron. I will use my Super Symmar-S 24 via the Leica S-L adapter...that is, after the lens comes back from service, to replace the AF motor, for the second time. Seems I "stressed the gears too much" again, this time attaching it to an SL3...what would silly me expect from an €8k lens attached to a €7k camera via a €1.3k adapter? Hopefully they will use gears made of metal this time, instead of recycled toothpaste tubes. Going with the Zeitgeist, this will be my contribution to the health of the planet, the strength of my biceps and the balance of my bank account. I use a 24mm prime quite often. Either the Elmarit Asph 2.8 which I find excellent even on the latest Monochrom, or the 30mm on the S3 (as in the image below). I am a sucker for the drama and intimacy brought by this wide focal length, without the "you blink and the perspective is off" issues that a 21mm lens often serves. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 20, 2024 by albireo_double 11 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/390933-the-future-of-the-sl-system-and-why-there-is-no-roadmap-for-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=5118134'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 20, 2024 Share #66 Posted March 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Eclectic Man said: a new system with a completely new lens mount The lens mount is 10 years old, and the SL system is 9 years old. Canon RF, Nikon Z mount: 6 years. Fujifilm's X-mount is 12 years old. Sony's E-mount is ancient at 14 years. Brought to you by your friendly Wikipedia interrogator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail Posted March 20, 2024 Share #67 Posted March 20, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm all for a 24mm APO but before we get there I think we need a 22, 23, and 23.5! 😅 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 20, 2024 Share #68 Posted March 20, 2024 4 hours ago, trickness said: I have a friend with webbed toes Too bad he/she/non binary doesn’t use a 24mm lens. Then you’d know three. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted March 20, 2024 Share #69 Posted March 20, 2024 3 minutes ago, jdlaing said: Too bad he/she/non binary doesn’t use a 24mm lens. Then you’d know three. Yeah, it is a shame. I think three is the minimum number of customers Leica needs to decide to make a lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 20, 2024 Share #70 Posted March 20, 2024 4 hours ago, Eclectic Man said: Well, not wishing to be too cynical, but people are more likely to buy into a new system with a completely new lens mount if there is a 'roadmap' showing a whole load of luscious lenses appearing soon with names including 'APO' and 'ASPH'. Maybe the original 'roadmap' was genuinely intended as a 'best case if everything goes really well' scenario and got taken over by events, or maybe customer* feedback indicated so much more interest in a 21mm f2/ than a 24mm f/2 that Leica put their effort into the 21. * "customers" is an anagram of "curse most", not that that could possibly apply anyone who owns a Leica, we are all truly wonderful people, aren't we? Well……..does this count? https://www.panasonic.com/content/dam/Panasonic/Global/Learn-More/L-Mount/L-MountLensChart_Zoom_20240222.pdf https://www.panasonic.com/content/dam/Panasonic/Global/Learn-More/L-Mount/L-Mount-Lens-Chart_Fixed_Focal_Length_20240222.pdf 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 20, 2024 Share #71 Posted March 20, 2024 3 minutes ago, trickness said: Yeah, it is a shame. I think three is the minimum number of customers Leica needs to decide to make a lens. They sold over 21,000 of them and then the desire waned off. Nobody buys nobody makes. I bought and I still use. I don’t need a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted March 20, 2024 Share #72 Posted March 20, 2024 Honestly, 24mm is nice, and so is APO, but I would prefer a real portrait lens. Don’t need the sharpness of APO. But a tighter F/L at 1.4 or less. Ofcourse I can buy Sigma, it’s here, but that aint money spend to Leica… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 20, 2024 Share #73 Posted March 20, 2024 vor 41 Minuten schrieb Olaf_ZG: Honestly, 24mm is nice, and so is APO, but I would prefer a real portrait lens. Don’t need the sharpness of APO. But a tighter F/L at 1.4 or less. Ofcourse I can buy Sigma, it’s here, but that aint money spend to Leica… +100 I have the SL75 and it's nice and sharp but I don't love it. Leica S120 on S body beats it by for my taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 20, 2024 Share #74 Posted March 20, 2024 I think it is not so much about a SL 24 APO lens (there are other options) but more about communication. If we buy into a camera system we want to know what to expect, and also about the future. SPecially from a brand which as discontinued the R system, the TL-System and the S-mount (have they? will there be an S4? will it have s-mount?) It would be nice to get some first hand information instead of having to rely on rumors and speculations. Regarding options to Leica lenses... Sigma and Panasonic is nice, but that's not the reason one buys a camera body for 6800 Euro. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted March 20, 2024 Share #75 Posted March 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: Honestly, 24mm is nice, and so is APO, but I would prefer a real portrait lens. Don’t need the sharpness of APO. But a tighter F/L at 1.4 or less. Ofcourse I can buy Sigma, it’s here, but that aint money spend to Leica… Buy a 75mm Noctilux. That’s a real portrait lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted March 20, 2024 Share #76 Posted March 20, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Smith said: Buy a 75mm Noctilux. That’s a real portrait lens. I don’t own that lens, but have scrutinised many DNGs made with it, and am inclined to agree. It has an incredibly good blend of both sharpness and precision but also “character” (and not just wide open), IMHO, the latter aspect is something I’ve generally found missing (for my personal taste) in the SL 50, 35, 75mm APO Summicrons that I’ve owned. Edited March 20, 2024 by Jon Warwick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 21, 2024 Share #77 Posted March 21, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, John Smith said: Buy a 75mm Noctilux. That’s a real portrait lens. I'm sure you're right. The Summilux-M 75 (which I have) is similar, I guess. I use it on the SL2-S, but only for want of an AF equivalent. I didn't buy the SL2-S for manual focusing, and would prefer an AF portrait lens. Between the Summilux-M 75 and the Apo-Summicron-SL 75 I'm doing OK at the moment though. It doesn't stop me thinking about a Summilux-SL 75 (or Noctilux-SL). Edited March 21, 2024 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted March 21, 2024 Share #78 Posted March 21, 2024 19 hours ago, Jon Warwick said: I don’t own that lens, but have scrutinised many DNGs made with it, and am inclined to agree. It has an incredibly good blend of both sharpness and precision but also “character” (and not just wide open), IMHO, the latter aspect is something I’ve generally found missing (for my personal taste) in the SL 50, 35, 75mm APO Summicrons that I’ve owned. I guess @trickness would agree fully…. However, the Noctilux is slightly more expensive… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 21, 2024 Share #79 Posted March 21, 2024 vor 21 Stunden schrieb John Smith: Buy a 75mm Noctilux. That’s a real portrait lens. I would rather buy a Canon 85/1.2 plus a R5, nail focus even at sports and spend the rest of the money (about 5k) for a nice trip. I am a big Leica fan but I can't see a buying a lens for such a price without AF. It's just too difficult to focus for anything but stills, and it's also too big if you use it on a M body. I am sure it renders great, if you get the shot. But getting the shot... Manual focus is fine for me for wide angle ups to 50 or longer, but not so much for the super fast shallow DOF lenses. Just give us a Leica SL 85/1.4 portrait rendering lens. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted March 21, 2024 Share #80 Posted March 21, 2024 4 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: I guess @trickness would agree fully…. However, the Noctilux is slightly more expensive… I do quite like the 75 SL APO though!. It has a character, although not a vintage one. Incredible cutting edge image quality and it's very versatile with weather sealing, AF, etc. Took this image with it on the SL2 at night in the rain on the street. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/390933-the-future-of-the-sl-system-and-why-there-is-no-roadmap-for-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=5122907'>More sharing options...
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