Leica SL3 problems

[FlashGordonPhotography]

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If the files are unrecoverable then those data chambers were overwritten. That would indicate an issue with the camera reading/writing the FAT of the memory card.

Mikko. Have you tried a CFE card only? I noticed you had a problem with SD card only. My normal usage is for a CFE card only unless the shoot is critical. That could be a difference in reproducing the issue. Wonder if it’s an issue with the camera reading the SD FAT?

Anyone had the issue with a CFE card only in camera?

Gordon

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[Mikko Kankainen]

No I have not. 
When I lost images I was using cf+sd as I always do=be safe. 
When I tried to reproduce the bug I used sd only. 

[Ken Abrahams]

I confirmed another bug in the SL3 yesterday when I discovered the camera cannot shoot higher than 1/8000 sec on A mode and maybe P mode too. No matter what settings I have tried and and resetting camera etc the problem persists. Someone else Srimi also confirmed this is the case and asked me to report the issue. Where does one report bugs to Leica? 

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[ERSY Photography]

8 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

If the files are unrecoverable then those data chambers were overwritten. That would indicate an issue with the camera reading/writing the FAT of the memory card.

Mikko. Have you tried a CFE card only? I noticed you had a problem with SD card only. My normal usage is for a CFE card only unless the shoot is critical. That could be a difference in reproducing the issue. Wonder if it’s an issue with the camera reading the SD FAT?

Anyone had the issue with a CFE card only in camera?

Gordon

I couldn't reproduce the bug with the CFexpress card, only with two memory cards in the camera. This is an interesting assumption. I'll try to reproduce the bug with SD card. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by ERSY Photography

[Photoworks]

13 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Anyone had the issue with a CFE card only in camera?

yes

[ERSY Photography]

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Has this bug appeared for anyone who turned off the camera completely before removing the battery?

[Ken Abrahams]

3 minutes ago, ERSY Photography said:

Has this bug appeared for anyone who turned off the camera completely before removing the battery?

I have changed a few batteries while shooting and haven't lost any images but there is a nervous wait. It seems okay, as long as the camera is off proper. 

[LUF Admin]

Here is an official statement by Leica:

 

[Adrian92]

Hi!

I just got my SL3. It seems P and S mode have disappeared. I can only select M and A mode. Does anyone know how to restore this? 
 

Also in A mode I have set a ss limit to 250. Since I do events and moving subjects I don’t want my camera to go any lower. When the camera thinks the exposure isn’t correct, it’ll slow down the ss leaving me with movement in the images. Does anyone know how to resolve this?

 

Thanks! 

[LocalHero1953]

23 minutes ago, Adrian92 said:

Hi!

I just got my SL3. It seems P and S mode have disappeared. I can only select M and A mode. Does anyone know how to restore this? 
 

Also in A mode I have set a ss limit to 250. Since I do events and moving subjects I don’t want my camera to go any lower. When the camera thinks the exposure isn’t correct, it’ll slow down the ss leaving me with movement in the images. Does anyone know how to resolve this?

 

Thanks! 

Are you using a M or other manual lens? If so, the camera cannot set the aperture automatically, which P and S mode want to do. So P and S mode are not offered.

For your second issue, have you set AutoISO? That should make the camera keep the shutter speed fast by pushing ISO up. Otherwise I suggest you find an auto lens so you can use S mode. Or shoot M mode. 

Some people have asked for setting a specific shutter speed as an absolute minimum in auto exposure mode, but Leica doesn't do that - you'll have to live with it. I'm sure you realise that if you force it to maintain a fast shutter speed and low ISO, in the end you'll get underexposed images.

Edited July 6, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[SrMi]

8 hours ago, Adrian92 said:

Also in A mode I have set a ss limit to 250. Since I do events and moving subjects I don’t want my camera to go any lower. When the camera thinks the exposure isn’t correct, it’ll slow down the ss leaving me with movement in the images. Does anyone know how to resolve this?

Ensure you have set Auto-ISO's upper limit to the highest ISO; that way, the shutter speed will be reduced only when there is insufficient light. You can also run in M mode with Auto ISO, keeping the shutter speed at 1/250 regardless of the light.

[Adrian92]

23 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Are you using a M or other manual lens? If so, the camera cannot set the aperture automatically, which P and S mode want to do. So P and S mode are not offered.

For your second issue, have you set AutoISO? That should make the camera keep the shutter speed fast by pushing ISO up. Otherwise I suggest you find an auto lens so you can use S mode. Or shoot M mode. 

Some people have asked for setting a specific shutter speed as an absolute minimum in auto exposure mode, but Leica doesn't do that - you'll have to live with it. I'm sure you realise that if you force it to maintain a fast shutter speed and low ISO, in the end you'll get underexposed images.

Thanks! It seems I have to close and open the menu after turning the aperture ring to A. Then the icons reappear. 
 

As for the ss: I know about being under exposed. But there’s enough dynamic range to be a stop under. I’d rather be a little under exposed than having more noise. I use M mode with auto iso inside. And when I move from inside to outside when the sun is out I’ll switch over to aperture priority. I just hoped there was some way to stay in aperture priority mode and set an absolute minimum.

 

Thanks! 

[jaapv]

Err… noise is created by underexposure. The ISO setting is nothing more than amplification of the output from the sensor including the noise. It does not change the physical sensitivity of the sensor. The only way to reduce noise in low light is to increase the amount of light falling on the sensor AKA reduce shutter speed or open aperture. 
That is what the camera will do to maintain a usable image. 

[pf4eva]

On 7/4/2024 at 2:28 PM, Photoworks said:

Is anyone taking Lloyd seriously anymore?

Any reason not to take him seriously?

[tom0511]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb pf4eva:

Any reason not to take him seriously?

I think one should take him seriously. I even pay sometimes to read his opinion and findings.

Over the years I have learned though, that he is super critical regarding many things and he has a certain testing procedure (shoot some still landscapes and analyse at 100% the sharpness) which, IMO, are quite theoretical and do not give the full picture. So if you read it you have to know that, and then decide which issues you see as releveant and which not.

I would for example take a SL3 over a Sony each day (I have used Sony for some years), well knowing there are some things with the SL3 which are not great, but there are others which I prefer.

Also if you read his reviewws you could believe its not possible to take images, sharp over the frame with the 2490 or with the 50 APO due to various factors. I dont doubt his experiences, but in some points I have different own experiences. I still like reading his findings though.

 

 

[pf4eva]

52 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

I think one should take him seriously. I even pay sometimes to read his opinion and findings.

Over the years I have learned though, that he is super critical regarding many things and he has a certain testing procedure (shoot some still landscapes and analyse at 100% the sharpness) which, IMO, are quite theoretical and do not give the full picture. So if you read it you have to know that, and then decide which issues you see as releveant and which not.

I would for example take a SL3 over a Sony each day (I have used Sony for some years), well knowing there are some things with the SL3 which are not great, but there are others which I prefer.

Also if you read his reviewws you could believe its not possible to take images, sharp over the frame with the 2490 or with the 50 APO due to various factors. I dont doubt his experiences, but in some points I have different own experiences. I still like reading his findings though.

 

 

I get what you're saying, but I think being critical is correct approach for gear reviews. Considering the price it is ok to demand same or better quality from the gear then Panasonic for example.

[tom0511]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb pf4eva:

I get what you're saying, but I think being critical is correct approach for gear reviews. Considering the price it is ok to demand same or better quality from the gear then Panasonic for example.

The question is whta is critical and was is overcritical. What is fact and what not. Can I draw conclusions from 2 or 3 sample shots shot at a certain distance.

Edited July 10, 2024 by tom0511

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[jonoslack]

On 7/9/2024 at 1:42 PM, pf4eva said:

I get what you're saying, but I think being critical is correct approach for gear reviews. Considering the price it is ok to demand same or better quality from the gear then Panasonic for example.

I agree, but I think it's important to analyse reasons for being critical - Lloyd is scrupulous, but we all know that a hyper-critical headline gets clicks, and clicks is what everyone who makes money from reviews wants

[SrMi]

On 7/9/2024 at 4:47 AM, tom0511 said:

I think one should take him seriously. I even pay sometimes to read his opinion and findings.

Over the years I have learned though, that he is super critical regarding many things and he has a certain testing procedure (shoot some still landscapes and analyse at 100% the sharpness) which, IMO, are quite theoretical and do not give the full picture. So if you read it you have to know that, and then decide which issues you see as releveant and which not.

I would for example take a SL3 over a Sony each day (I have used Sony for some years), well knowing there are some things with the SL3 which are not great, but there are others which I prefer.

Also if you read his reviewws you could believe its not possible to take images, sharp over the frame with the 2490 or with the 50 APO due to various factors. I dont doubt his experiences, but in some points I have different own experiences. I still like reading his findings though.

 

 

His vulgar, disparaging, and over-emotional language and his penchant for conspiracy theories put me off. Somebody who is overly emotional cannot be trusted to review gear reliably. Combined with some of his false Hasselblad lens comments/analysis, I stopped subscribing and following his posts (I followed his public posts for many years and subscribed to the Hasselblad content for one year).