New challenger : X100 VI vs Q3 in 35mm crop mode

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15 hours ago, oldwino said:

I've tried several Fuji cameras - Xpro1, Xpro3, XE-3, X100V, even the GFX 50R - and I just cannot connect with them. Lord knows I've tried...But I cannot escape the feeling that there is something missing. The RAW files are...uninspiring. The lenses, too. Nothing technically wrong with them, but just lacking that "special sauce". The Jpegs are nicely done, most of them, anyway, but then I think, "I could just shoot film in my M5 instead".

If the raw files are uninspiring but you like the jpegs, that probably says more about the raw processor than the files. As with Nikon, this may be a case where the manufacturer's processor arguably does a better job than some third party packages like Lightroom/ACR, at least with the default settings, because the camera company has taken the trouble to profile their gear properly. Fuji's Raw File Converter is a version of Silkypix that does a good job of matching the in-camera processing by default, and you can apply the film simulations in post if you like. It's not the fastest or most intuitive of raw processors, but it's the output that counts.

14 hours ago, jaapv said:

I fear that the simulation argument is wasted on me. I think that film and digital are two different media that have a different look. Attempting to simulate film will always be a bit kitschy compared to shooting film. All with due respect for opposing viewpoints.

I'm no fan of dreadful things like digital fake grain and bogus 'scratches', but the Fuji simulations are really just colour profiles that approximate their films, no different in principle to the presets that other manufacturers use (e.g. 'Vivid' rather than 'Velvia'). I use them from time to time.

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21 hours ago, GREG PLAT said:

Hello everybody 

I want to share some thoughts with you and I would like to send me your opinions about me dilemma.

I am professional photographer but since 3-4 years I don’t take photos anymore. 

I only take photos in my vacations and when I visit cities where I do street photography mainly and a few city landscapes.

I sold almost my photographic equipment and I kept only 2 cameras. 

Ricoh GRII and Fujifilm XT5 and some lenses ( 10-24/4 & 35/2 & 56/1,2 & 16-80/4)

 

My project for the next years is to visit cities and countries around the world and taking street photography and some landscape photography and maybe publish some books with these photos.

Street photography is 80-85% of my photos now.

 

Here some key points that will help me to take my final decision.

 

1. I want to take only one camera and one lens. No big cameras, no lenses, no bags anymore. I like to be more minimalist in my philosophy to take photos and in my life generally.

2. I shot 95% Jpeg not RAW. I know the benefits of RAW in editing, dynamic range etc but all cameras has anymore very good jpeg. And it’s ok for me. If a camera has RAW and JPEG I choose this option and keep RAW for the future when I print the books. Then I will edit my final photos for the printing. If the camera has this possibility it’s great. 

3. I like 28mm not 35mm

4. I sold my Canon and Fujis and I have 8.000$ in stock. For my new camera and for my first trips.

 

I read many reviews and I decided to buy one of these 2 cameras for my basic camera. 

Leica Q3 - Never had a Leica

Fuji X100 VI  with 28mm lens adaptor

 

Would you like please to send me your opinion about this dilemma? Which you would prefer from these 4 and why according my key points?

Leica Q3 or Fuji x100VI and invest more in trips? 

 

Thank you 

Greg Plat. 

 

 

I'm also a retired professional photographer and have experience with Fuji and Q. They should not be compared side by side. The Q is quite superior in just about every comparison. If you want to compare the new Fuji X100VI to any Leica camera, it would be the discontinued CL. The primary difference being that one has a fixed lens and the other is interchangable. Between those two, going by what I've read and the image samples I've seen, I'd pick the Fuji. But if the question was the Q2 or Q3 versus the Fuji, the Qs easily win. 

[GREG PLAT]

Ι read very interesting opinions from photography lovers and i really enjoy it. 

From 1982 i have more than 100.000 photos and slides (who remember slides?) carrying bags with lens and cameras. Now I just want to enjoy every photo, every moment when i visit a new city or place. So for me is very crucial to take a good decision in this dilemma and dont look back. I dont have the ability to test Leica Q3 and Fuji X100 VI. 

My heart is in Leica but rationality leads me in Fuji X100 VI. 

 

 

[liggy]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

But long term the Q3 is likely to degrade less in percentage though not in money. 

I don’t understand your point. 
 

Are you trying to make an argument that the Q3 is a better investment?

In 2 years my Q2 Reporter has lost $2,000 or so in terms of value.  
 

10 years later my Fuji X100S has lost about $400 in value vs what I paid new. 
 

Losing $2K+ in 2 years vs $400 in 10 years - which would you choose?  

Regardless - modern digital cameras shouldn’t be viewed as investments.  

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5 minutes ago, liggy said:

I don’t understand your point. 
 

Are you trying to make an argument that the Q3 is a better investment?

In 2 years my Q2 Reporter has lost $2,000 or so in terms of value.  
 

10 years later my Fuji X100S has lost about $400 in value vs what I paid new. 
 

Losing $2K+ in 2 years vs $400 in 10 years - which would you choose?  

Regardless - modern digital cameras shouldn’t be viewed as investments.  

Your reasoning does not in any way monetize the feeling of superiority of a person who goes out on the street with a Leica around his neck 😂

[GREG PLAT]

12 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Your reasoning does not in any way monetize the feeling of superiority of a person who goes out on the street with a Leica around his neck 😂

The superiority is created by the imagination and the skills of the photographer and not from the camera. 

[SrMi]

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Paraphrasing Sinead O'Connor's song (originally by Prince):

Nothing compares 2 Q.

[Smogg]

11 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

The superiority is created by the imagination and the skills of the photographer and not from the camera. 

This is a common misconception among people who don't own a Leica 😂

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19 hours ago, jaapv said:

I use Gigapixel. It is excellent if one needs to save a shot by extreme cropping, but the result will rarely go beyond acceptable. 

I am not happy with Gigapixel. It could also be me who doesn't know how to use it/find right settings, but I often get subpar results, kind of mushed,
denoised (I do not want that) images...

Then I tried Adobe Enhance. It works much, much better for me and that's not only valid for raw images but also jpg's! I would say it is far superior to Gigapixel
Makes me routinely use crop modes on my Q2M without any thinking...

[GREG PLAT]

😀😀

Jokes time

17 hours ago, Smogg said:

This is a common misconception among people who don't own a Leica 😂

Edited February 23, 2024 by GREG PLAT

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17 hours ago, GREG PLAT said:

The superiority is created by the imagination and the skills of the photographer and not from the camera. 

Missed a smiley there?🫠

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17 hours ago, liggy said:

Regardless - modern digital cameras shouldn’t be viewed as investments.  

Though you could have made a profit on the X100V thanks to TikTok!

https://petapixel.com/2022/11/01/used-fujifilm-x100-series-camera-prices-are-surging-thanks-to-tiktok/

[Simone_DF]

On 2/20/2024 at 11:05 PM, nemendes said:

q series have better ergonomics. 

I personally find the Q and the M to have by far the worst ergonomics of any camera on the market. 
There’s a good reason why there are so many topics regarding adding a hand grip or a thumb rest, and these additional accessories are not so massively diffused for other brands. 

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On 2/22/2024 at 12:10 PM, jaapv said:

But long term the Q3 is likely to degrade less in percentage though not in money. 

Many that managed to grab a X100V were able to sell it at more than listing price, thanks to the camera being always unobtainable. Fuji says the supply issue is no longer a problem, but we’ll see. 

[Simone_DF]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:47 PM, Mr Perceptive said:

The Leica in 35mm mode is 39MP, the Fuji in 35mm mode is 40MP, so in terms of 35/50/70/90 crops the resultant image would be approx the same MP. That said the superior optics on the Leica are likely to render a better quality small crop.

 

The Fuji though has an additional adapter for 50mm, so the user can choose to crop or to mount the adapter and shot in 50mm mode without any crop. 

[Q2dude123]

I own an M11 with 35mm and 50mm Summiluxes, a Minilux, Ricoh GR III and, of course, a Q2. I used to have an X100V and loved that camera. But then I wanted more and sold it and bought a Q2.

I love the Q2 for its incredible image quality and great workmanship. Of all the cameras, however, I really need my Q2 the least, as it's actually on a par with an M. The Q2 is simply too expensive just to put on the shelf, so I've decided to sell it and buy an X100VI.

The X100 is still a good deal smaller and the film simulations are simply amazing. In my private life I like to shoot JPEG anyway and the Q2 is just not as good with JPEGs. If I sell the Q2 and buy an X100VI, I'll make a good 2000 dollars plus and that's saying something. The only pro for the Q2 versus the X100 in my opinion is the stellar image quality and of course the full frame sensor. But do I need this for my private life when I have an M11? Not necessarily.

I haven't made a final decision yet, but I'm pretty sure I am gonna do it. I even preordered a X100VI.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

Many that managed to grab a X100V were able to sell it at more than listing price, thanks to the camera being always unobtainable. Fuji says the supply issue is no longer a problem, but we’ll see. 

The reason for better availability seems to be the production move from Japan to China. 

P.S.: There is nothing wrong with Fuji cameras being produced in China or Vietnam.

[Smogg]

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

I personally find the Q and the M to have by far the worst ergonomics of any camera on the market. 
There’s a good reason why there are so many topics regarding adding a hand grip or a thumb rest, and these additional accessories are not so massively diffused for other brands. 

I beg to differ with you. For me, the M11 has the best ergonomics of any camera on the market, I don't use any options like hand grip or thumb grip, although I tried them all out of curiosity

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

I personally find the Q and the M to have by far the worst ergonomics of any camera on the market. 
There’s a good reason why there are so many topics regarding adding a hand grip or a thumb rest, and these additional accessories are not so massively diffused for other brands. 

Are you using your Q and M with a grip? I do not.

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23 hours ago, GREG PLAT said:

Ι read very interesting opinions from photography lovers and i really enjoy it. 

From 1982 i have more than 100.000 photos and slides (who remember slides?) carrying bags with lens and cameras. Now I just want to enjoy every photo, every moment when i visit a new city or place. So for me is very crucial to take a good decision in this dilemma and dont look back. I dont have the ability to test Leica Q3 and Fuji X100 VI. 

My heart is in Leica but rationality leads me in Fuji X100 VI. 

 

 

I seriously doubt you'll be disappointed. There's no need to compare the Fuji to anything else. Just enjoy it for what it is.