Leica Q3 Firmware V 2.0.1 (merged)

[Cheesehead]

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5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I don’t have a Q3, just a Q2, but something similar to this profile problem happened before, either with the Q2 or the SL2-S - I don’t recall. Then I interpreted it as follows: the firmware upgrade makes a number of changes to functions that have been set in a pre-existing profile. When the profile is reloaded after updating firmware it can’t implement the profile properly because there is a mismatch between the coding/setting in the profile and the place in the firmware where the new, updated coding is and how the setting is to be ‘set’. So the old profile is not implemented properly. My solution was to load each profile in turn and then resave it. After that the profiles were loaded and displayed (with little numbers) as they should be. 

I don’t know if this would work with the Q3, and I certainly have no firmware coding knowledge to say that my empirical description of behaviour is correct, but it worked for me then, and I offer it now. 

That is exactly what I did. And that solved the problem, though I did leave the update with two additional null profiles.

I think your comment is very inciteful, the profile was likely slightly incompatible with the new OS because of the functional changes in the update. By overwriting the profile, it was saved in a compatible form. Thanks.

[Pelu2010]

32 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

I have completed the upgrade. All is normal but one thing. I won't share it yet in the forum as I am waiting to see if anyone else notices it. On the subject of Profiles not appearing in the menu correctly, I imported my profiles from the SD card and they work correctly and display correctly, icon and number 1 for profile 1. I never had a startup time issue and if it were considered long I normally just turn the camera on and let it goto standby and when ready to take a photo, half press shutter and it wakes instantly. Not sure why people would fully power down the camera when out in the field. If I am walking the streets its on standby. If I am at home or hotel, its off. It would be ridiculous to always power down the camera when out and about taking photos.

 

Hi, 

that’s how I operate the camera too. 
I never shut it down in the field. 
I always have enough batteries on me. 
 

And I did the same with the presets > sd card > update > reimport profiles > no problem. 
 

cheers 

[Miltz]

Since I couldn’t sleep I decided to put what I thought to the test. I did a side by side start up and black out test between the Nikon Z6 and Q3 to see if me thinking they were the same was actually true. The results are the Z6 starts up faster from a cold boot. When both are turned off and one again the startup time is identical. So the Leica takes longer to start if it’s not used for a while. The difference is so minor that I would have never noticed it without side by side testing. The rear screen shooting blackout was identical. The EVF blackout was shorter on the Z6 compared to the Q3. Again the difference is so minor only side by side testing reveals it. Since I had both cameras out I decided to do a autofocus speed test AFs in low light both lenses wide open. For the Nikon I used the 35mm 1.8s. The autofocus speed was identical between both cameras. I did notice the display on the Leica lagging when moving the camera as of it’s moving in slow motion. The Nikon was smooth and had no such lag at all. This didn’t affect autofocus just the live view. I would say this was the biggest and most noticeable difference in performance, the live view lag in low light. 

Edited January 14, 2024 by Miltz

[David Wien]

6 hours ago, Miltz said:

I’ve been following this thread closely and perhaps I’m the only person here who has no issue with blackout times or boot up. It feels the same as my Nikon Z system.

You are not alone. I have a Canon R6 Mk.1 and Sony RX100Va, and they probably do the same!

David

[Manners]

8 hours ago, hoppyman said:

You may like to read the manual regarding how to manage preferences (I didn't at first find that intuitive, but a helpful member here answered that some time back) and how to control Touch AF option which is very easy.

I've turned off the Touch AF and I'm now experiencing problems accessing my "User Profiles" from the main screen.  Now I'm basically at the mercy of the s/w to decide which profile to use!!!  Also Video does still start without warning.  It seems to me that the firmware is not very stable.  I never had this issue with my Q2.   Leica stop hiding behind the Forum and address these issues rather than simple updates which are frippery and not that important.  I've already spoken to my supplier about putting the camera in an industrial crusher because of the frustration it's causing.  With 2.01 the startup time was supposed to have been made better, something that would be worth it, but it hasn't changed on my camera!  The remainder of the changes are of little or no use to me.  

[LocalHero1953]

5 hours ago, reynoldsyoung said:

Thanks so much, Hero.  That could very well be a part of it.   How do you...."load each profile in turn and then resave it."?  You are dealing with someone who needs all the help he can get!  Ha!

What I should have written was:

1. After updating the firmware you reload all your profiles from the SD card where you saved them (I hope you did save them before updating the firmware).
2. Select the first profile, and immediately save it as a profile to the same profile slot with the same name. 

[LocalHero1953]

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3 hours ago, Cheesehead said:

That is exactly what I did. And that solved the problem, though I did leave the update with two additional null profiles.

I think your comment is very inciteful, the profile was likely slightly incompatible with the new OS because of the functional changes in the update. By overwriting the profile, it was saved in a compatible form. Thanks.

That's better and more simply expressed than I put it!

[reynoldsyoung]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

What I should have written was:

1. After updating the firmware you reload all your profiles from the SD card where you saved them (I hope you did save them before updating the firmware).
2. Select the first profile, and immediately save it as a profile to the same profile slot with the same name. 

Many thanks again, Hero...perfect work around.  My profiles are performing and all indicators are showing up normally.  My OCD was pushing me to the limit and you saved a fellow photog!!  I also agree with everyone on turning the camera off while on the prowl for that next great wall hanger...leave it "ON" and take extra batteries.  In reviewing the new FW, I just happened on to the disappearing profiles when turned off.  Thanks to Hero, that condition no longer exists and I can get on with life!  Ha!

Now, let's see...what else can I find to overthink on this beautiful Sunday morning??

[jps1]

Il y a 11 minutes, reynoldsyoung a dit :

Merci encore, héros... un travail parfait. Mes profils fonctionnent et tous les indicateurs s'affichent normalement. Mon TOC me poussait à la limite et vous avez sauvé un autre photo ! Je suis également d'accord avec tout le monde sur l'arrêt de l'appareil photo à l'affût pour ce prochain grand cintre mural... laissez-le "ON" et prenez des piles supplémentaires. En examinant le nouveau FW, je viens de tour les profils qui disparaissent lorsqu'il est désactivé. Grâce à Hero, cette condition n'existe plus et je peux aller de l'avant ! Ha !

Maintenant, voyons... que puis-je trouver d'autre pour trop réfléchir en ce beau dimanche matin ?

Take your camera and trigger

[wlaidlaw]

Last night I did reimport profiles from my SD card (I had already done this after the FW update), made a few modifications to my personal default profile, saved it and made it active. Finally that seems to have stuck and this morning, about 14 hours after those actions, on start up on the touch screen menu, it is showing my head and shoulders with a 2 beside it, which is my personal default profile and it has not reverted to the Manufacturer Default profile, as it did yesterday morning. Q3 owners should not have to jump through these hoops to make personally saved and/or activated profiles stick. As I said before, this ought to have been picked up on testing. Shades of Horizon/Fujitsu for poorly tested soft/firmware but at least Q3 owners did not end up in prison, like the poor sub-postmasters did.

This is not first example of Leica messing up an FW update. I remember well on the M240, when they made an update that in effect disabled GPS/Geolocation and it took 18 months of backwards and forwards emails to the manager of this division, before it finally got corrected. 

Wilson

 

[David Wien]

Updated firmware with sd card: it took less than 5 minutes. I dont use profiles. The only thing I noticed was the camera was set to daylight time, and an hour ahead.

David

[Le Chef]

13 hours ago, Miltz said:

I’m the only person here who has no issue with blackout times or boot up.

I have no issues either. I don’t have any external connections “On”. Don’t use AFC, or video, and shoot only RAW. Not sure if any of that makes a difference or not.

[M11 for me]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb alexone:

Hallo zusammen, meine Leica Q3 gibt nach erfolgtem Update 2.01 akustische Emissionen (wohl vom Objektiv) von sich, die nicht normal zu sein scheinen. Hat jemand von euch ebenfalls Erfahrungen damit gemacht? LG!

Try to put your post into the german part:

 

[reynoldsyoung]

7 hours ago, jps1 said:

Take your camera and trigger

For sure....jps!!

[ChrisHudson]

23 hours ago, Cheesehead said:

You are describing how the camera should behave.

My impression after doing the update is a bit more complicated.

Prior to the upgrade I had a custom profile for 1, 2 and 3. The others were unused.

I exported the profiles to my SD card and did an upgrade of the OS from the Lecia site using my SD card.

After the upgrade I imported my profiles back from the SD.

When I selected a profile, it pulled in the profile, but didn't give me feed back that the profile was selected. Anything other than the default profile, just showed my the little head and shoulders icon, but without the profile number. Turning the camera off, and then back on, kept the profile setting but again I could see the head and shoulders only, without the number indicating which profile was actually selected.

I went back to the profile menu and resaved them. (selected profile 1 and then saved it as profile 1, 2 as 2 and 3 as 3). once I did that the camera would once again show me which profile was selected by displaying the head and shoulders icon with the profile number next to it.

The other thing it did was added a profile 4 and 5 which are identical to the default profile (since I had never made a 4 or 5). I just have to avoid those profiles until I get around to saving something useful in them.

In the end it seemed upgrade was a bit sloppy, at least for the custom profiles. Easy enough for me to go back and correct the problem, but I should not have had to figure a workaround.

Thanks for this. I thought I was going a little mad not seeing the profile number on the icon. resaved mine and all back to 'normal'. Bit annoying to be honest as I'm not sure I'd have figured out the workaround. 

[Aram Langhans]

Thanks to everyone for all these tips with profiles and other items.  I am now well prepared to do the update and know what to expect and how to fix it.

[Trankster]

Hi All,  I updated my firmware yesterday via the Fotos app (Andrioid version) and all went very smoothly.  The app prompted me to save my profiles.  After the update and shutting off and restarting the camera, it took awhile to find how to restore my profiles.  I was a little surprised that Fotos did not offer this feature after the update.  I searched the instruction manual finally found how to restore my settings in the User Profile submenu to import profiles.  All in all, a relatively easy process to update.

A possible benefit of using Fotos for updating the firmware versus the SD card is that file names and numbers continue following the sequence where I left off.  With my prior Q2 firmware updates via SD cards, I found the file names and numbers restarted from the beginning and duplicated earlier file numbers. Possibly this does not occur with the Q3, but this was a non-issue with this update via Fotos.

[volatileagent]

On 1/13/2024 at 4:32 PM, Aram Langhans said:

I have not updated yet, but this blackout thing is a mystery.  I have been thinking about it lately.  My Q2 had none, as you know.  Now the Q3 has the blackout.  But the other day I was shooting with my father-in-law's Nikon D-600 and, of course, being a DSLR it has a viewfinder blackout when shooting as all DSLR's do.  Then it hit me.  I shot a Nikon D750 for years then added the Q2.  I think if I had not shot with the Q2, but rather went from the D750 straight to the Q3 I might not have noticed that the Q3 has that blackout.  It is really nothing different from a DSLR.  But having shot the Q2 for 2 years, the Q3 blackout is indeed annoying.

There is not that much difference between 48MP and 60MP and the Q3 has a lot more horsepower processor than the Q2 so I would think this should be an easy fix, or never should have happened in the first place. I guess there is a big difference in EVF resolution, so maybe that is where the programming needs to be improved.

 

If anyone has shot the M11 in live view mode, you will see that the same blackout is there too. Now, the the q3 has a faster processor than the M11 so I suspect it has to do with the sensor readout or memory or something else. 
 

I’m happy with shooting it in 2 fps mode now. With no blackout in that mode, it’s closer to a rangefinder experience. 

[Aram Langhans]

Completed the update.  Went smoothly but did have to load and resave each of the profiles to make them work as planned.

Kind of misleading as far as startup time.  From a cold overnight start with the old firmware it was 4.8 sec and the new firmware was 4.6 sec.  Not a "Significant improvement of startup times" as stated.  In fact, within the margin of error with my hand stopwatch trying to turn camera on and operate it.

If the camera is on, it does fire up faster.  Old firmware about 1.2 seconds and new firmware hard to measure.  Best I could do is 0.5 sec.

If you are expecting an initial startup improvement, forget it.

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[WeiterWinkel]

Am 15.1.2024 um 21:29 schrieb Trankster:

A possible benefit of using Fotos for updating the firmware versus the SD card is that file names and numbers continue following the sequence where I left off.  With my prior Q2 firmware updates via SD cards, I found the file names and numbers restarted from the beginning and duplicated earlier file numbers. Possibly this does not occur with the Q3, but this was a non-issue with this update via Fotos.

I updated via the SD-card method and for the first time in years with different Leica cameras the picture count hasn‘t been reset. 🤩