Datsch Posted January 6, 2024 Share #1 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I can't seem to stop designing new M variants, sorry .... This one for all us lefties out there ... I made a cardboard mockup to try it out and it's a bit freaky at first but quite nice to have one's nose out in the fresh air and not squashed ... 🙃 👃 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 6, 2024 by Datsch 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386909-leica-m11-l-for-left-eye-shooters/?do=findComment&comment=4976080'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Hi Datsch, Take a look here Leica M11-L for left-eye shooters .... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Pyrogallol Posted January 7, 2024 Share #2 Posted January 7, 2024 There should be a law that forces manufacturers to produce goods equally designed for use by left and right handed users. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 7, 2024 Share #3 Posted January 7, 2024 Just hold the camera upside down! (maybe someone can create a mount for this!) - I have simply accepted my eternal nose smudges on the screen. The problem I'd have with this is that whilst I am left eye dominant I am very much right handed and this looks like it would feel unnatural to hold. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted January 7, 2024 Share #4 Posted January 7, 2024 I lost my orientation just by looking at this and I can't unsee it wait, my pointy left is too weak to press that shutter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warton Posted January 7, 2024 Share #5 Posted January 7, 2024 Does that mean a left eye dominant person has to be a left handed person too? How does this thing work with left eye on to the view finder while using right hand to press the shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 7, 2024 Share #6 Posted January 7, 2024 Will this come also in silver? 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jipster Posted January 7, 2024 Share #7 Posted January 7, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 41 minutes ago, Warton said: Does that mean a left eye dominant person has to be a left handed person too? How does this thing work with left eye on to the view finder while using right hand to press the shutter? No, since eyes worm contralaterally. I am a somewhat strongly left handed person (I have never met an entirely left handed person, most (all?) of us do some things like right-handed people) and shoot with the right eye. That makes the M so pleasant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted January 7, 2024 Share #8 Posted January 7, 2024 There are some left handed wind cameras, like the Exakta. I hold a knife in my right hand when using a knife and fork, but use a knife in my left hand at any other time. A spoon is always held in the left hand. We are just conditioned by the right hand world to do some things their way. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386909-leica-m11-l-for-left-eye-shooters/?do=findComment&comment=4976730'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 7, 2024 Share #9 Posted January 7, 2024 8 hours ago, Pyrogallol said: There should be a law that forces manufacturers to produce goods equally designed for use by left and right handed users. That might well simply result in an M with the viewfinder in the middle and a shorter rangefinder base. Be careful what you ask for😁. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted January 7, 2024 Share #10 Posted January 7, 2024 1 minute ago, pgk said: That might well simply result in an M with the viewfinder in the middle and a shorter rangefinder base. Be careful what you ask for😁. The first Barnack Leicas had a central finder, before it was moved off centre for some reason. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 7, 2024 Share #11 Posted January 7, 2024 The Leica is of course a left-eyed camera already. Shooting with your left eye to the finder, it is properly braced against your face for steady shots at slower shutter speeds. Those stories about being able to see the scene better with the finder to your right eye are just propaganda by people who aren't holding it properly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 7, 2024 Share #12 Posted January 7, 2024 17 minutes ago, Pyrogallol said: The first Barnack Leicas had a central finder, before it was moved off centre for some reason. And later, those fitted with two 'hotshoes' could be used with a central viewfinder and a vertical rangefinder. 'Progress' comes with caveats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 7, 2024 Share #13 Posted January 7, 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, Pyrogallol said: There should be a law that forces manufacturers to produce goods equally designed for use by left and right handed users. In order to subdue acrimony from the left handed contingent, Leica should make the M12 body two inches taller and install a second viewfinder on the right side of the body. Place the shutter speed dial and the shutter release on opposite sides of the central hot shoe and all is golden. And yes - a chrome version must be offered, too. And a blue version, for those whose favorite color is blue. Edited January 7, 2024 by Herr Barnack 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 7, 2024 Share #14 Posted January 7, 2024 (edited) Back in the day, of course, Leica would make left-handed cameras for special customers. https://twitter.com/rayrapkerg/status/887557145633357824 Edited January 7, 2024 by Anbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 7, 2024 Share #15 Posted January 7, 2024 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Anbaric said: Back in the day, of course, Leica would make left-handed cameras for special customers. https://twitter.com/rayrapkerg/status/887557145633357824 Guess what? If we all shoot only ourselves in mirrors, then we're all sporting left handed Leica's. Problem solved (that was easy). FYI Leica did make a hot shoe accessory that would allow for release of the shutter with the left hand. They never made a left handed body. Edited January 7, 2024 by charlesphoto99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 7, 2024 Share #16 Posted January 7, 2024 21 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: They never made a left handed body. You're just jealous you aren't as famous as Stanley Kubrick and wouldn't have qualified for the custom left-handed Leica programme. I have it on good authority that these cameras were assembled in a special workshop staffed exclusively by left-handed technicians working with left-handed screwdrivers. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 7, 2024 Share #17 Posted January 7, 2024 43 minutes ago, Anbaric said: You're just jealous you aren't as famous as Stanley Kubrick and wouldn't have qualified for the custom left-handed Leica programme. I have it on good authority that these cameras were assembled in a special workshop staffed exclusively by left-handed technicians working with left-handed screwdrivers. I know you're joking, but do keep in mind Kubrick wasn't famous yet when he was a stringer for Look. In later years he could command specially made lenses etc for 70mm movie cameras. Also, I'm pretty sure he was right handed. That said, not many know that Kurt Cobain famously played left handed guitar, but wrote with his right. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386909-leica-m11-l-for-left-eye-shooters/?do=findComment&comment=4976862'>More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 7, 2024 Share #18 Posted January 7, 2024 Here Leica explains the 'professional' way to hold an M4 in portrait mode, naturally with the left eye. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386909-leica-m11-l-for-left-eye-shooters/?do=findComment&comment=4976886'>More sharing options...
hoolyproductions Posted January 8, 2024 Share #19 Posted January 8, 2024 I enjoyed this thread, I'm also left-eyed and had recalled that Leica once made a "leftie" version but could not find any evidence online so I guess I'm mistaken. When shooting in portrait mode I often use the method shown above (but also often do it the 'conventional' way, even though it is a bit awkward). As has been pointed out, people are very rarely (if ever) fully left-sided. I write, play snooker, shoot cameras, use tools etc left handed. I also ride snowboards 'goofy'. For unknown reasons I play racket sports right handed, tend to kick with my right foot and an right-bodied for skating and martial arts. And regarding the ergonomics of M cameras, I could never adapt to a left handed rangefinder having been using 'normal' ones for over a decade 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted January 16, 2024 Author Share #20 Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) Many thanks for all your comments on this design. I agree with @maxpower and @jakontil and @Warton and @Anbaric and @hoolyproductions Yes, I think the -L camera has to be held left handed -- otherwise the shutter button would have to sit on top of the viewfinder and I don't think there's room for that. Also if both viewfinder and shutter button were on the right your right hand would be in your face and your thumb against your mouth, a bit weird (try it) Yes I think many left eye shooters are right handed. I don't think dominant eye has much to do with dominant hand. So this -L I have drawn in the OP is probably only suitable for left handed, left-eye dominant photographers. How many such people are there? Perhaps half of the left-handed people so 5% say? Still enough of a market to warrant a special limited edition camera? Actually I don't now find shutter release with left finger and focusing with right finger to be that odd. So maybe some lefteye-righthanders would also like this -L Personally I am left-eyed but have been shooting my M-D with my right eye for non critical focusing --- and it's not so hard to get used to -- anything with infinity focus, like a landscape, no problem, obviously. Anything more than 5 or even 3 metres away or with widers lenses (28, 35) the rangefinder patch does not have to be perfect and images are still fine. Well worth a bit of perseverance. Becoming ambidextrious / ambioptic? can be handy. And I like what @Anbaric says, that there are benefits to shooting left-eyed, especially bracing against the face for stability ... Edited January 16, 2024 by Datsch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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