SL2S FW6.0

[Carrot]

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Thanks for the quick reply. Another query … can magnification be assigned to the top wheel, or is it only available on the thumbwheel?

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[LocalHero1953]

Just now, Carrot said:

Thanks for the quick reply. Another query … can magnification be assigned to the top wheel, or is it only available on the thumbwheel?

Yes, either wheel.

[Carrot]

Does anyone know what additional functions they’ve added to the Favorites Menu? It says in the update blurb that they’ve added items to it, but don’t say what they are.

[Malabito]

7 hours ago, V23 said:

 

After retesting Novoflex adapter on my SL2S you are right you get several levels of magnification.

To my ‘horror’ thought, I noticed that using Leica M mount lens on Novoflex adapter Image Stabilization is greyed out (not possible to use) that would be more worry some to me than joystick function limitation. Your Kilometrage (sic) my differ.

Image Stabilization on my Lumix S5II works with Leica M/L as well as Novoflex M/L adapters with Leica M lens mounted, strange why Leica does not allows this on SL2S, they must have good reason for it.

wao, i havent notice that, will do some testing, maybe you need to select first the focal and then you can enable or disable image stabilization? select first the lens profile and then see if stebalziation is enabled? 

[Malabito]

18 minutes ago, Carrot said:

Does anyone know what additional functions they’ve added to the Favorites Menu? It says in the update blurb that they’ve added items to it, but don’t say what they are.

i think it has to do with flash, not sure.... but the limit is still set to 11 i wishied it have been increased.

[frame-it]

7 hours ago, V23 said:

Image Stabilization is greyed out

just set the focal length and ibis should work with any adapter

[feelssadman]

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Just updated and immediately wondered if I broke something during the process because, surely, this can't be how Leica intended it to be. This is a feature breaking update and ruins using the SL2 for manual focus lenses. Sure, I might be emotional about this right now but now I have to factor in an additional step to check for focus where it was just moving the joystick before, pressing once to check focus and then release. Now its moving the joystick, moving thumb to thumbweel, pressing it without turning it, check focus and then release.

Has nobody at Leica tested this before relesing the update? As it is currently, it's become just a "stick" instead of a "joy"-stick. Where can I complain officially? I don't see any problem with implementing both functionalities to suit both MF and AF users.

[JohnathanLovm]

I’m too used to joystick for zoom-focus for manual lens because that where my thumb position. 

[insomnia]

Had a spin with it today. Unfortunately AE-L for M-Lenses is not even done well.

1. You lock exposure (e.g. framed bit "lower" to compensate a bright sky)

2. You frame

3. You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in

Doing this the other way around is not meaningful - for moving objects you always want to lock focus last.

 

Guess I'm back at using half-shutter press and 9 images/second burst mode (which doesn't re-do exposure) or using exposure compensation.

Edited December 10, 2023 by insomnia

[Malabito]

1 hour ago, insomnia said:

Had a spin with it today. Unfortunately AE-L for M-Lenses is not even done well.

1. You lock exposure (e.g. framed bit "lower" to compensate a bright sky)

2. You frame

3. You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in

Doing this the other way around is not meaningful - for moving objects you always want to lock focus last.

 

Guess I'm back at using half-shutter press and 9 images/second burst mode (which doesn't re-do exposure) or using exposure compensation.

Leica has always been terrible with their software implementation, with the m it hasnt been  such an issue, cause part of its appeal is its simplicity, but the with the Q and SL which somehow tend to compete with up today mirrorles, seems like the software was designed by an outsource you  team, or engineers with a complete lack of UX knowledge in the photography segment. 

Things like:

- lack of exposure lock, (only with this new firmware you get it)

- lack of  back focus button functionaility, (yes it works, but you need to set the lens to manual focus for it?)

- you cant set a face detect area, its all over the place, and when usuing facedetect, you cant use back focus button, given you dont have an option to swap through the faces

- you dont really have a autofocus lock functionaility. Lets say you use afc with the shutter button and you want to lock autofocus  for it not to continue focusing... not possible.

- if you assign zoom in to a fn button and you zoom in and zoom out, the foocus button returns to the center, doesnt remain in its current  position

- if you want to move the focuus button to the center, the functionaility has this weird recall functionaility which in theory is practical but confusing in real life, it has a memory recall of its last location, so it kind of jumps between places.

[insomnia]

I think the overall approach of the SL (non-labelled buttons, "everything" to be configured on your own) is amazing. The GUI and ease of use is also amazing, makes you never want to touch cameras of another brand.

They mess it up with some details (yes, makes you question if they have photographer's feedback). I'm happy they keep working on the software.

[Stef63]

2 minutes ago, insomnia said:

I think the overall approach of the SL (non-labelled buttons, "everything" to be configured on your own) is amazing. The GUI and ease of use is also amazing, makes you never want to touch cameras of another brand.

They mess it up with some details (yes, makes you question if they have photographer's feedback). I'm happy they keep working on the software.

I still notice three buttons with labels on them 😃. It would have been even more preferable if they were left blank, resembling the design of the S.

You're also absolutely right to question whether the software engineers truly have a background in photography or speak to photographers. The recent M firmware updates for example are also a mess, introducing unnecessary features that nobody requested and, at the same time, breaking what was previously working.

[LBJ2]

12 hours ago, V23 said:

 

After retesting Novoflex adapter on my SL2S you are right you get several levels of magnification.

To my ‘horror’ thought, I noticed that using Leica M mount lens on Novoflex adapter Image Stabilization is greyed out (not possible to use) that would be more worry some to me than joystick function limitation. Your Kilometrage (sic) my differ.

Image Stabilization on my Lumix S5II works with Leica M/L as well as Novoflex M/L adapters with Leica M lens mounted, strange why Leica does not allows this on SL2S, they must have good reason for it.

Using a third party lens and adapter, I went into the menus and selected and applied custom lens focal length which in turn enables the Image Stabilization feature On/Off. 

[LBJ2]

1 hour ago, insomnia said:

Had a spin with it today. Unfortunately AE-L for M-Lenses is not even done well.

1. You lock exposure (e.g. framed bit "lower" to compensate a bright sky)

2. You frame

3. You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in

Doing this the other way around is not meaningful - for moving objects you always want to lock focus last.

 

Guess I'm back at using half-shutter press and 9 images/second burst mode (which doesn't re-do exposure) or using exposure compensation.

You wrote "You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in"

I don't typically use AE-L so I want to check this out. I almost always learn something about my cameras when trying out new features or reports of features not working. 

If I understand what you wrote correctly, I wonder if this note is related?

" Press and hold

Depending on the setting, AF-L, AE-L, or AF-L + AE-L will be locked as long as the joystick is pressed and held.

When the joystick is released, the relevant metering type will be unlocked."

[frame-it]

25 minutes ago, Stef63 said:

I still notice three buttons with labels on them 😃. It would have been even more preferable if they were left blank, resembling the design of the S.

 

the SL601 was like that

[LBJ2]

BTW, any advice for setting FL for third party lenses when for example FL settings in the Lens Profile menu is either 40mm or 50mm and my lens is 45mm? 

[insomnia]

vor 55 Minuten schrieb LBJ2:

You wrote "You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in"

I don't typically use AE-L so I want to check this out. I almost always learn something about my cameras when trying out new features or reports of features not working. 

If I understand what you wrote correctly, I wonder if this note is related?

" Press and hold

Depending on the setting, AF-L, AE-L, or AF-L + AE-L will be locked as long as the joystick is pressed and held.

When the joystick is released, the relevant metering type will be unlocked."

Thanks - haven't tried this before.

It doesn't really have a "press and hold" functionality. If you press the Joystick, in the lower left a lock with "AE" appears. If you press it again, it disappears. It also disappears if you press any other button (including zooming in), rendering the function useless for me.

[LBJ2]

1 hour ago, LBJ2 said:

BTW, any advice for setting FL for third party lenses when for example FL settings in the Lens Profile menu is either 40mm or 50mm and my lens is 45mm? 

Edit: I checked the tech specs/data sheet for this 45mm lens and the specs list it as an actual 46.9mm FL lens. So I'm going with using the 50mm Lens Profile on the SL2

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[LBJ2]

18 minutes ago, insomnia said:

Thanks - haven't tried this before.

It doesn't really have a "press and hold" functionality. If you press the Joystick, in the lower left a lock with "AE" appears. If you press it again, it disappears. It also disappears if you press any other button (including zooming in), rendering the function useless for me.

I'm still experimenting with AE-L with SL, 3rd Party and M lenses as there are differences and perhaps where "press and hold" might apply.

Seems with the M lens, AE-L has to be the last setting applied before I fire the shutter button e.g., magnify with the thumbwheel, adjust focus, then lock AE, press shutter button. Like you wrote if you press any other button it seems to release the AE-L.

Good that we are scrutinizing as maybe there is a bug to be reported. Or we just haven't figured out the correct combination of settings, work flow. Either way, probably shouldn't be this difficult to figure out, or maybe since I am new to this feature there is something I am not considering. 

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, insomnia said:

Had a spin with it today. Unfortunately AE-L for M-Lenses is not even done well.

1. You lock exposure (e.g. framed bit "lower" to compensate a bright sky)

2. You frame

3. You focus, you zoom in to fine-adjust ---> you loose AE-L when you're zoomed in

Doing this the other way around is not meaningful - for moving objects you always want to lock focus last.

 

Guess I'm back at using half-shutter press and 9 images/second burst mode (which doesn't re-do exposure) or using exposure compensation.

This looks like a bug. I can't see any rationale for this behaviour. (While I can for the change in zoom-to-focus, even if it doesn't suit everyone and even if it could have allowed the old behaviour as an option).