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There's something that I really didn't think about when I ordered my Q3 that ended increasing my cost to own and use the camera. This can really affect your workflow as it did mine and basically add $

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Try Topaz Photo AI. It replaces Denoise AI and Sharpen AI in one action for most images and is really fast, leaving the slower Topaz plugins for shots that need to be rescued. 

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Of course if you want to ‘tart’ up your camera that’s up to you! The camera out of the box plus an SD card is all that is really needed.  🍻

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Yes I know from experience that once you go over a threshold, your machine can dramatically slow down, from just fine to barely usable. The difference between 24MP and 60MP may not seem dramatic, but in computational terms it is a different ballgame.

On MacOS there is also the systems transition from Intel to ARM architecture which is not fully congested yet. Not by Apple, and certainly not by all software suppliers. It will take some time until they have all optimised the code for the new hardware.

I am still on an old Intel Macbook Pro with 16GB Ram and found that some of the nice AI software like Topaz is just too slow on my machine, even with the 18MP files from my M9. To my surprise I found that the latest version of C1P runs very well on my Macbook Pro. No issues what so ever with 24MP DNG files from my SL and TL2. Things like complex auto masking take a bit longer than instantly, but still very workable. I even downloaded a few 60MP DNG test files from an M11 and these seem to pass without a hich.

For those of you running LR as well as C1P:
I do not have the latest versions from LR and PS installed, so I wonder if there is a speed difference compared to C1P on Mac OS with M2 or M2 hardware?

 

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3 hours ago, jaapv said:

Often slow speed of a Mac can be resolved by CleanMyMac. It is surprising how much old junk files can slow the machine down.

And leaving enough headroom in the form of free disk space can affect speed too. 10% is recommended.

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48 minutes ago, dpitt said:

Yes I know from experience that once you go over a threshold, your machine can dramatically slow down, from just fine to barely usable. The difference between 24MP and 60MP may not seem dramatic, but in computational terms it is a different ballgame.

On MacOS there is also the systems transition from Intel to ARM architecture which is not fully congested yet. Not by Apple, and certainly not by all software suppliers. It will take some time until they have all optimised the code for the new hardware.

I am still on an old Intel Macbook Pro with 16GB Ram and found that some of the nice AI software like Topaz is just too slow on my machine, even with the 18MP files from my M9. To my surprise I found that the latest version of C1P runs very well on my Macbook Pro. No issues what so ever with 24MP DNG files from my SL and TL2. Things like complex auto masking take a bit longer than instantly, but still very workable. I even downloaded a few 60MP DNG test files from an M11 and these seem to pass without a hich.

For those of you running LR as well as C1P:
I do not have the latest versions from LR and PS installed, so I wonder if there is a speed difference compared to C1P on Mac OS with M2 or M2 hardware?

 

Compared to my MacBook Air 1998 16 GB my MB Air M1 2020 16 GB is significantly faster with PS 2024. much smoother as well. Topaz plugins run three times as fast or even more. 

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Compared to my MacBook Air 1998 16 GB my MB Air M1 2020 16 GB is significantly faster with PS 2024. much smoother as well. Topaz plugins run three times as fast or even more. 

1998? This must be a typo.
2018 maybe?
So we can rule out adaptation to ARM architecture then. All I know is that editing a 60MP DNG file from the M11 works fine on my 2015 / 16GB Macbook Pro with C1P. So there must be hope for people using C1P and hardware that is a bit faster than mine.

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Unlikely than in the past, when graphic packages were available only on Apple platform, there is no technical reason today to stay bundled to this platform. Yes the quality is higher and the obsolescence slower, but a good gaming (which does have usually high end graphic cards and more memory) Windows machine cost much less than Apple, and if you use Adobe products you do not throw away your software investment when changing the platform. I’ve done this some years ago and do no regret the switch (from technical point of view, but overall for my wallet).

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In my 50 some years of shooting professionally, I can honestly say that I've NEVER heard the terms "low cost" or "budget friendly" when referring to the tools of the trade.  One tip I learned in the early computer days was to add all of the ram the machine can handle.  It was good advice. 

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Strange. I’m using a M1 MBP with 16GB of ram and it works very well even with 60mp pictures. I bumped the cores from 8 to 10, but left it at 16GB of ram. For a while I was even running two versions of photoshop at the same time, the standard and the beta, and never had a problem. I always have 2 browsers open too. 
Perhaps there’s something else slowing down your laptop?

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I wanted to type something similar. My MacBook Pro M1/16GB/1TB/16" is doing fine with Q3 files... as long as you leave enough space on the SSD. But I can imagine that if you are a professional processing loads of files investing in something even faster is a good investment, but you can work with these files nicely with my setup.

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8 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Question to the OP @Miltz: is it mainly the AI tools that you find slow, or all editing? I wonder if the issue is a glitch in how Adobe Denoise uses the M1 chips vs a separate GPU.

This thread has become about Denoise 😂. I only mentioned it as an example. I don’t use denoise on all my images anyway. All editing was slow. 

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Apropos of denoising, while Photolab‘s Deep Prime DX is in my opinion the best available, it only operates on raw files. This evening I was experimenting with my iPad and wanted to reduce noise on a panorama. I turned to the Topaz stand alone Denoise, which will deal with jpgs. While by no means as good as Photolab, it did a decent job of cleaning up what was a very noisy file captured in low light in my living room.

I frequently use Topaz Sharpen AI; but have never had much success with Gigapixel. I am irritated that Topaz never offered any upgrades after I had bought these separate programs, and have never bothered to buy their latest portmanteau version.

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43 minutes ago, David Wien said:

Apropos of denoising, while Photolab‘s Deep Prime DX is in my opinion the best available, it only operates on raw files. This evening I was experimenting with my iPad and wanted to reduce noise on a panorama. I turned to the Topaz stand alone Denoise, which will deal with jpgs. While by no means as good as Photolab, it did a decent job of cleaning up what was a very noisy file captured in low light in my living room.

I frequently use Topaz Sharpen AI; but have never had much success with Gigapixel. I am irritated that Topaz never offered any upgrades after I had bought these separate programs, and have never bothered to buy their latest portmanteau version.

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I mostly abandoned Sharpen AI, except in extreme cases, for Photo AI. I get regular updates...

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1 hour ago, Knorp said:

What about other hidden costs like; insurance, an sd card, a filter, a hand grip, a thumb grip, an extra battery, a new bag and last but not least a roll of black gaffer tape ...  🙃

Of course if you want to ‘tart’ up your camera that’s up to you! The camera out of the box plus an SD card is all that is really needed.  🍻

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