M11-D?

[Stevejack]

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10 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

i can't agree more with what you wrote before, @Stevejack, same thought here.

but what about a stylish thumb-rest lever that fits the overall 'Bauhaus' design of the hypothetical m11d ?  i admit the thumb rest on the m10d isn't very stylish, not that it disturbs me, but it's just plain ergonomical i.e. functional, while injecting a bit of Porsche genes would perhaps help the case for adding a new elegant thumb-rest to the m11d.

I'm not a fan of the foldable add-on thumb rest, it's quite bulky and throws the aesthetics of the camera off balance, and also takes up the hotshoe plate meaning no flash / Visoflex can be used. I don't mind the thumbie, it does the job and is reasonably small, but the foldable lever on the M10-d was a perfect solution I think. 

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[fenykepesz]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb Stevejack:

I'm not a fan of the foldable add-on thumb rest, it's quite bulky and throws the aesthetics of the camera off balance, and also takes up the hotshoe plate meaning no flash / Visoflex can be used. I don't mind the thumbie, it does the job and is reasonably small, but the foldable lever on the M10-d was a perfect solution I think. 

yes, i agree.  me too, i didn't mean those separate add-on versions, but i spoke about a Leica-provided 'Bauhaus-elegant' built-in thumb-rest for the m11d.  anyway, it's perhaps too late, the new m11d seems to miss this ergonomic feature.

now, soooo much was in the mean time written about this fake lever, somewhat strange, right ? it seems to stir up opinions !

[jakontil]

No fake advance lever thumb rest, from past experience, they came in black… leica M black in m11 means aluminum, well 😀😀😀

oh and have they sorted out the issues in the M11 yet? Would be a guess game otherwise 

[Stevejack]

1 hour ago, gigithephotographer said:

Not happening. You're getting the ISO dial back on the rear of the camera, though. That's cool. 

Well that’s at least a point of difference from the other models. 

[Robert Blanko]

Am 22.3.2024 um 09:08 schrieb gigithephotographer:

Not happening. You're getting the ISO dial back on the rear of the camera, though. That's cool. 

You mean that unlike for the M10-D where you only had the exposure compensation on the back there will be the full ISO dial on the back? And there would be no dial at the top left corner at all?

[evikne]

I hope the M11-D at least keeps the Leica script on the top plate, because I think it's very nice.

[jgeenen]

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The Leica M11-D should have a rewind lever to power a generator that will make the battery obsolete. It doesn‘t need an ISO dial - the ISO can be preconfigured on each SD card. White balance is fixed to daylight. Being optimized for 4GB SD cards it will give the most classical M feeling: 40 exposures with a single ISO setting, battery independent and no need for a menu at all. To save power, the exposure metering will be disabled and the red diodes removed (not to mention it will take the M-A range finder with illumination window. If Leica manages to improve startup time they could even remove the main switch.

 

[Smudgerer]

I have the M10-D, always liked and appreciated the "thumb-rest" lever, never liked the mistakenly placed on/off switch on the rear it should have been around the shutter release as per all other M's and my guess is that will be it's placement in the M11-D, the wifi connection was/is still long to connect and poor in function, and I disliked intensely what to me was the way Leica just dropped interest in the camera very soon after it's release and as far as I can recall and only issued a couple of M10-D specific firmware updates...............But it is still perhaps my favourite digital M despite the criticisms I have.

[evikne]

26 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

and I disliked intensely what to me was the way Leica just dropped interest in the camera very soon after it's release and as far as I can recall and only issued a couple of M10-D specific firmware updates

I can't understand why it's still not possible to manually select an uncoded lens from the Fotos app. A small firmware update should be all that was needed.

Edited March 23, 2024 by evikne

[Smudgerer]

21 minutes ago, evikne said:

I can't understand why it's still not possible to manually select an uncoded lens from the Fotos app. A small firmware update should be all that was needed.

As I said, Leica gave up on the M10-D almost immediately after the release, no firmware update that made any functional improvement since then. To be honest for me it was / is a another indication of Leica's lack of interest in their customer's needs for what otherwise are truly excellent photography tools. Just look at the current M11 troubles and how Leica doesn't appear to wish or to be able to address them sufficiently well, hoping that the relatively few "complainers" will just give up and then buy the new improved M12 later.........Good luck with that.

[grahamc]

Having shot the 10-D side by side the m11 I would not be trading mine.  For the uses I think a D is best suited to (for me at least) I think 24MP is the perfect sensor size.   And considering the spirit of the camera, the classic removable baseplate is a nice touch. Who wants a visible battery and other levers / ports on a camera with this ethos, versus the classic and clean analogue baseplate ?

Considering the price of Leica models just get more expensive (the price of m11-p or SL3 here is AUS is insulting compared to a  hasselblad x2D which is in a class of its own). So who knows what the price will be but even more reason to urge newcomers to the D line to try pick up an M10-D at a reasonable price from “upgraders”.  

Edited March 23, 2024 by grahamc

[algrove]

Lastest rumor the M11D is coming later in 2024. I never bought into the "D" cameras, but the more I think about it I seldom if ever chimp after taking an image so this time I just might try an M11D.

But what are the other benefits. Will it have an M11P look?

Are the D models offered at the end of a series and before the next model, like the M12, is forthcoming?

 

[charlesphoto99]

3 hours ago, jgeenen said:

40 exposures with a single ISO setting

 

Leica could just put a timer on the camera so it freezes up every 36 exposures with a two minute time out so one gets that true film loading experience. I hear Leica are getting pretty good at coding freezes so should be a breeze. 

[evikne]

5 hours ago, algrove said:

Lastest rumor the M11D is coming later in 2024. I never bought into the "D" cameras, but the more I think about it I seldom if ever chimp after taking an image so this time I just might try an M11D.

But what are the other benefits. Will it have an M11P look?

The D models have until now lacked the red dot and instead have the Leica script on top, as on the P models. 

The main thing that makes me want one though, is that the absence of a screen makes it much more comfortable to hold, and also a little thinner.

 

5 hours ago, algrove said:

Are the D models offered at the end of a series and before the next model, like the M12, is forthcoming?

They have tended to come late in the series, but the M10-D came before the M10 Monochrom. So when the M11 Monochrom was launched, some feared it meant there would be no M11-D.

Edited March 23, 2024 by evikne

[costa43]

According to Leica Rumours, it will be released in May this year and have no fake advance lever. The iso dial will be on the back where the ev comp was on the m10-d (much better imo) this would mean a top plate without the iso dial which could be interesting unless they just make it the exposure comp of course.

Edited March 23, 2024 by costa43

[Stuart Richardson]

It's a bit of a disappointment for me at least if they get rid of the vestigial advance lever. Obviously it does not serve a control function on a digital M, but it does bring the ergonomics in line with the film cameras, which is not a trivial thing, if you are used to them. If it had no purpose, thumbs up attachments would never have found the market and popularity they have. Having it built in to the camera and able to fold away frees up the hotshoe and is lighter and less bulky than a thumbs up. Clearly the M10D model was aimed at the photographer who wanted an analog experience in a digital body, it seems a shame to get rid of one of the clearest ties to analog ergonomics.

[grahamc]

8 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Leica could just put a timer on the camera so it freezes up every 36 exposures with a two minute time out so one gets that true film loading experience. I hear Leica are getting pretty good at coding freezes so should be a breeze. 

They’ve also nailed the magenta colour cast of a bad scan so slowly building all these special features for 11-D 

[Robert Blanko]

I find the concept of the D camera quite appealing, as I very rarely use the screen and as an M11-D would very robust. No case or half-case needed.

However, the showstopper for me would be that it is still an M11 which I would not buy now for various technical reasons.

Thus, Leica please make an M12-D, solving all the issues of the M11 and I'm in.

 

 

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[Warton]

M11 is not ready for D version yet because this camera both M11 and M11-P models are still being plagued by frozen.

With D version, you wouldn’t even know the camera freezes when it freezes. You just keep pressing shutter and then you are frustrated why you didn’t hear that horrible stapler like shutter sound. Or even worse you elude yourself to believe it’s electronic shutter mode now.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2024 by Warton

[Stevejack]

10 hours ago, grahamc said:

Having shot the 10-D side by side the m11 I would not be trading mine.  For the uses I think a D is best suited to (for me at least) I think 24MP is the perfect sensor size.

I agree, but perhaps that’s my mentality that the D is not a primary camera. 
As a replacement for a film camera, the 24mp digital files are plenty for what I need from them. I use it as a daily carry, snaps of the kids when we’re out and about, street shots etc… I tend to use the M11 or something else of I’m doing serious work. 

It’s not that the M10-d isn’t capable, I just have easier tools for the job so I use them. If I only had the D then I think I would appreciate more resolution but otherwise would make do.