Any film shooters getting the itch to shoot digital?

[lmans]

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okay...to toss out an 'outlier'.....  The PixII.  They are on their second generation, a quality looking rangefinder which will use M lens.

Yes, some issues that some folks will never even close to accepting and I can understand that, but at $3000 compared to whatever a Leica is....anyone shot one? Even the guy who does this You Tube is saying the camera is not for everyone but you have to give it to the company for attempting to start a new company, a rangefinder that competes with Leica. After all, the camera itself is just a box to take images and the same Leica M Len's can be used on these. 

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by lmans

[Huss]

2 hours ago, lmans said:

okay...to toss out an 'outlier'.....  The PixII.  They are on their second generation, a quality looking rangefinder which will use M lens.

Yes, some issues that some folks will never even close to accepting and I can understand that, but at $3000 compared to whatever a Leica is....anyone shot one? Even the guy who does this You Tube is saying the camera is not for everyone but you have to give it to the company for attempting to start a new company, a rangefinder that competes with Leica. After all, the camera itself is just a box to take images and the same Leica M Len's can be used on these. 

 

Yeah you can use the same lenses as on a Leica.  Except this is a crop sensor camera so you would not get a FF image. A 28mm lens would look like a 40, 35 a 50 etc.  And the widest frame lines they have is for the 28/40.

I have no idea why they built this with an APS-C sensor.  Because of that I'd much prefer a used M240 for the same or less money than the Pixxii. it's a shame because I think the Pixxi is very cool.

[lmans]

2 hours ago, Huss said:

Yeah you can use the same lenses as on a Leica.  Except this is a crop sensor camera so you would not get a FF image. A 28mm lens would look like a 40, 35 a 50 etc.  And the widest frame lines they have is for the 28/40.

I have no idea why they built this with an APS-C sensor.  Because of that I'd much prefer a used M240 for the same or less money than the Pixxii. it's a shame because I think the Pixxi is very cool.

I think it is cool too but not sure why the APS was included. I like the overall concept.... just don't like the price for a camera brand that might not be around tomorrow. 

[Huss]

The strange thing is to have the memory built into the camera.  So if the memory 'card' fails, you have a brick.  This can happen which is why 'we' usually have several memory cards.

I understand the desire to make something different, but they already have that by making a digi RF camera!  Some stuff does not need to be messed with.  Like proven memory implementation and using FF sensors.

[logan2z]

I don't currently own a digital camera (unless you count my 20+ year old Sony point and shoot with tiny 8MP sensor) and have been seriously considering buying one primarily to 'scan' my film, but also for occasional use as a camera. 

I spent the last couple of weeks researching what's out there and got pretty excited about the new Nikon Zf.  But the more I've seen/read about the camera the less interested I've become - very limited selection of compact lenses to match the retro camera body, no aperture rings on the lenses, strange artifacts with multi-shot pixel shift images, etc.  I've also looked at alternatives from Sony, Panasonic/Lumix, Canon, Fuji etc. 

Despite being a reasonably tech-savvy person (I'm a software engineer by day), I find the whole digital camera thing exhausting.  The spec-heavy marketing of endless features I'd never use, myriad AF modes, focus tracking options, multi-shot pixel shift, complex menus and physical camera layouts has completely turned me off.  The only camera I might consider owning would be something like the Fuji X-T5, but that probably wouldn't be the ideal film scanning camera.  A GFX50/100 could be another option, but I don't think I'd want to carry that around to use as a camera.  

At this point I think I'm just going to stick with my analog cameras and make the best of the flatbed scanner I have now.  I love being able to just pick up my camera, quickly dial in the exposure with physical aperture/shutter speed controls, focus the lens and press the shutter button.  That's it.  No batteries to charge, no cables or software to mess with, no SD cards, no menus to wade through, no firmware upgrades.  Just a light tight body and a lens and my mind free to try and make a good photograph. 

Who knows, I might reconsider a digital camera again at some point in the future.  But, for now, a simple film camera is all I really want/need.

[raizans]

The Fujifilm GFX100 II gave me a terrible rash. Beautiful industrial design, I hope it lasts. It annoys me that they revamp the design so much on every new model. Just make something extremely well-designed and stick with it, Fuji!

Edited September 24, 2023 by raizans

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7 minutes ago, raizans said:

The Fujifilm GFX100 II gave me a terrible rash. Beautiful industrial design, I hope it lasts. It annoys me that they revamp the design so much on every new model. Just make something extremely well-designed and stick with it, Fuji!

Still love my original GFX 50Ss.

[lmans]

6 hours ago, logan2z said:

I don't currently own a digital camera (unless you count my 20+ year old Sony point and shoot with tiny 8MP sensor) and have been seriously considering buying one primarily to 'scan' my film, but also for occasional use as a camera. 

I spent the last couple of weeks researching what's out there and got pretty excited about the new Nikon Zf.  But the more I've seen/read about the camera the less interested I've become - very limited selection of compact lenses to match the retro camera body, no aperture rings on the lenses, strange artifacts with multi-shot pixel shift images, etc.  I've also looked at alternatives from Sony, Panasonic/Lumix, Canon, Fuji etc. 

Despite being a reasonably tech-savvy person (I'm a software engineer by day), I find the whole digital camera thing exhausting.  The spec-heavy marketing of endless features I'd never use, myriad AF modes, focus tracking options, multi-shot pixel shift, complex menus and physical camera layouts has completely turned me off.  The only camera I might consider owning would be something like the Fuji X-T5, but that probably wouldn't be the ideal film scanning camera.  A GFX50/100 could be another option, but I don't think I'd want to carry that around to use as a camera.  

At this point I think I'm just going to stick with my analog cameras and make the best of the flatbed scanner I have now.  I love being able to just pick up my camera, quickly dial in the exposure with physical aperture/shutter speed controls, focus the lens and press the shutter button.  That's it.  No batteries to charge, no cables or software to mess with, no SD cards, no menus to wade through, no firmware upgrades.  Just a light tight body and a lens and my mind free to try and make a good photograph. 

Who knows, I might reconsider a digital camera again at some point in the future.  But, for now, a simple film camera is all I really want/need.

I tend to agree with the digital world. At one time I had a Leica 246 monochrom....loved the images but frankly I was overwhelmed by the features. I found myself fumbling (a pretty accurate term) as I set up shots. Perhaps I was over-reading it...but the point being....while I liked the output, I was just spinning in the process. So analog for me.

HUSS....you mentioned 'The strange thing is to have the memory built into the camera.  So if the memory 'card' fails, you have a brick.  This can happen which is why 'we' usually have several memory cards."

In one of the You Tube sites that speaks to the Pixii...I think they mentioned that Hasselblad was going the same route with Digital memory and not the memory cards. Right or wrong?   

 

[Huss]

34 minutes ago, lmans said:

I tend to agree with the digital world. At one time I had a Leica 246 monochrom....loved the images but frankly I was overwhelmed by the features. I found myself fumbling (a pretty accurate term) as I set up shots. Perhaps I was over-reading it...but the point being....while I liked the output, I was just spinning in the process. So analog for me.

HUSS....you mentioned 'The strange thing is to have the memory built into the camera.  So if the memory 'card' fails, you have a brick.  This can happen which is why 'we' usually have several memory cards."

In one of the You Tube sites that speaks to the Pixii...I think they mentioned that Hasselblad was going the same route with Digital memory and not the memory cards. Right or wrong?   

 

The latest Hasselblad x2d 100c does have internal memory.  But it also has removable memory cards.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Huss

[Huss]

7 hours ago, logan2z said:

I don't currently own a digital camera (unless you count my 20+ year old Sony point and shoot with tiny 8MP sensor) and have been seriously considering buying one primarily to 'scan' my film, but also for occasional use as a camera. 

I spent the last couple of weeks researching what's out there and got pretty excited about the new Nikon Zf.  But the more I've seen/read about the camera the less interested I've become - very limited selection of compact lenses to match the retro camera body, no aperture rings on the lenses, strange artifacts with multi-shot pixel shift images, etc.  I've also looked at alternatives from Sony, Panasonic/Lumix, Canon, Fuji etc. 

Despite being a reasonably tech-savvy person (I'm a software engineer by day), I find the whole digital camera thing exhausting.  The spec-heavy marketing of endless features I'd never use, myriad AF modes, focus tracking options, multi-shot pixel shift, complex menus and physical camera layouts has completely turned me off.  The only camera I might consider owning would be something like the Fuji X-T5, but that probably wouldn't be the ideal film scanning camera.  A GFX50/100 could be another option, but I don't think I'd want to carry that around to use as a camera.  

At this point I think I'm just going to stick with my analog cameras and make the best of the flatbed scanner I have now.  I love being able to just pick up my camera, quickly dial in the exposure with physical aperture/shutter speed controls, focus the lens and press the shutter button.  That's it.  No batteries to charge, no cables or software to mess with, no SD cards, no menus to wade through, no firmware upgrades.  Just a light tight body and a lens and my mind free to try and make a good photograph. 

Who knows, I might reconsider a digital camera again at some point in the future.  But, for now, a simple film camera is all I really want/need.

Don't buy the latest/greatest digicam.  I used a Nikon D750 w Nikon 60 Micro 2.8 AFS lens to scan film and that worked great.  In live view it could AF focus on the grain. Those are 'cheap' now.  Or any of the older A7 Sonys with AF macro lens.  Or a Nikon Z7 with AF macro lens which is what I am using now.  Any one of those is much better than a flat bed scanner.

[Huss]

So I used my M10r this weekend instead of a film camera.  The results are great, of course, but just too perfect, clinical, almost sterile.  Looking at them just made me wish I used a film camera with Fuji 200 instead...

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Huss

[IkarusJohn]

I use both film and digital - M-A with black & white; SWC with colour slide film; Monochrome for digital black & white; and X2D for colour digital (M10-D when it gets back from its holiday).

I'd love to shoot film more, but it's a lot slower and more contemplative.  Great, if that's the mood I'm in.  For travel, there's no point in trying to take film through security these days. 

I really don't get the digital hate comments.  With a digital Leica, I do pretty much the same as with a film Leica - set the aperture for depth of field, set the shutter for the light reading, focus and take the picture.  What's to hate?  Once you've finished taking the pictures, or used up your roll of film, you either download and process the images, and post or print them; or you develop the film and scan it or print it.

I agree that a well composed and exposed film image is different from a digital image, to an extent.  But, each has its convenience.  A 6x6 image on Velvia is something special.  

[Huss]

One thing that is really great with digital is.... you don't have to shoot the whole roll before you develop it!  I can shoot, say six pics and then process them.  If I've got a 36 exp roll in my camera, I still got 30 left before I can do that!

[Huss]

With the 10r .  Clicking on the image does show it sharper.

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Edited September 25, 2023 by Huss

[IkarusJohn]

Aside from having to take meter readings with my current (meter less) film cameras, I don't really see much difference in the image taking process.  I had two cameras with motor drives, and even then I didn't do any running and gunning. I still have what I consider to be a bad habit of taking only one image with my digital cameras - no bracketing or anything like that, unless the scene changes (portraits).

With my new X2D (very much in love with this camera), I accept AWB, set ISO at 64 and that's pretty much it.  Focus (manual with the new V lenses is great), set the aperture on the lens, and rotate the thumb wheel for shutter and press the shutter.  I spend no more time thinking about the image taking process than I do with my M-A (though metering is more of a chore, and I have to remember to remove the lens cap).

The one habit I wish I could change is to get over this film era of being miserly with my image taking.

[williamj]

11 hours ago, logan2z said:

I don't currently own a digital camera (unless you count my 20+ year old Sony point and shoot with tiny 8MP sensor) and have been seriously considering buying one primarily to 'scan' my film, but also for occasional use as a camera. 

I spent the last couple of weeks researching what's out there and got pretty excited about the new Nikon Zf.  But the more I've seen/read about the camera the less interested I've become - very limited selection of compact lenses to match the retro camera body, no aperture rings on the lenses, strange artifacts with multi-shot pixel shift images, etc.  I've also looked at alternatives from Sony, Panasonic/Lumix, Canon, Fuji etc. 

Despite being a reasonably tech-savvy person (I'm a software engineer by day), I find the whole digital camera thing exhausting.  The spec-heavy marketing of endless features I'd never use, myriad AF modes, focus tracking options, multi-shot pixel shift, complex menus and physical camera layouts has completely turned me off.  The only camera I might consider owning would be something like the Fuji X-T5, but that probably wouldn't be the ideal film scanning camera.  A GFX50/100 could be another option, but I don't think I'd want to carry that around to use as a camera.  

At this point I think I'm just going to stick with my analog cameras and make the best of the flatbed scanner I have now.  I love being able to just pick up my camera, quickly dial in the exposure with physical aperture/shutter speed controls, focus the lens and press the shutter button.  That's it.  No batteries to charge, no cables or software to mess with, no SD cards, no menus to wade through, no firmware upgrades.  Just a light tight body and a lens and my mind free to try and make a good photograph. 

Who knows, I might reconsider a digital camera again at some point in the future.  But, for now, a simple film camera is all I really want/need.

What you've said is pretty much my viewpoint. I'd just like to say that the Nikon Zf can take lenses with aperture rings if you mount a Nikon F format lens on the camera using an FTZ adapter. You can use non-CPU lenses as well and I suspect you could even use lenses from the 1960s.  To be honest, while the Zf does look rather like my FM2n, I'm not tempted at the moment mainly because I wouldn't use it.

[logan2z]

1 hour ago, williamj said:

What you've said is pretty much my viewpoint. I'd just like to say that the Nikon Zf can take lenses with aperture rings if you mount a Nikon F format lens on the camera using an FTZ adapter. 

That's true, I had just hoped to see a more complete set of Z mount lenses designed specifically for the Zf.  Maybe Nikon will expand the lineup of Zf lenses if the camera proves successful, which I suspect it will.    

[williamj]

20 minutes ago, logan2z said:

That's true, I had just hoped to see a more complete set of Z mount lenses designed specifically for the Zf.  Maybe Nikon will expand the lineup of Zf lenses if the camera proves successful, which I suspect it will.    

If they made Z series lenses with aperture rings that would certainly make the Z series cameras more attractive to me but ever since the G series lenses for DSLRs the trend has been away from aperture rings so I’m not hopeful. They are Nikon’s most highly corrected lenses. 

[oldwino]

I suspect that Nikon will be content to let Voigtlander make manual focus lenses with aperture rings for the Z mount. It is what they (Voigtlander) do well. For those who want the "complete" analog experience...And how is Nikon going to better the Apo-Lanthar?

I can see Nikon eventually releasing more "SE" lenses and hopefully more compact lenses to match the vibe the Zf gives off. 

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[johnwolf]

29 minutes ago, oldwino said:

I suspect that Nikon will be content to let Voigtlander make manual focus lenses with aperture rings for the Z mount. It is what they (Voigtlander) do well. For those who want the "complete" analog experience...And how is Nikon going to better the Apo-Lanthar?

I can see Nikon eventually releasing more "SE" lenses and hopefully more compact lenses to match the vibe the Zf gives off. 

Good point I hadn’t considered in you last sentence. The current Z 35 and 50s most of us prefer would make an odd pairing with the Zf body.

John

Edited September 25, 2023 by johnwolf