Q2/Q3 or Hasselblad X2D? Which do you choose?

[luetz]

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How is this topic even relatable.......Fixed Lens/Interchangeable lenses, price?

[FlashGordonPhotography]

8 hours ago, SrMi said:

To the best of my knowledge, the trailing two bits are not padded but contain information computed in the camera.

I doubt that. The bit size in the post is the same and the lowest two bits contain mainly noise. You must push darks a lot to see a tiny bit of difference.

As you, Jim saw a tiny bit of difference in noise when doing extreme lifting of shadows. In practice, the difference is irrelevant, aka “beat the file unconscious” 🤣. I do not understand to which part the “but” refers to. 

Some of us push files harder than others. The difference is there, and it can be seen, sometimes, then to some it’s relevant. Maybe not extremely relevant, but relevant, none the less.

I get that some are shooting X2D’s and only posting to social media and their YouTube channel’s. And it’s not relatedt to them. I’m doing 5-15 minute exposures and printing to 2 meters with a single frame. It’s relevant.

You may be right one the X1D. I was told it was just a wrapper but I have no definitive proof, either way.

Gordon

[BigBabyEarl]

Not to sidetrack a sidetracked convo- but anyone have the q3 43 and x2d 55? I’m heading to Europe in a few weeks and have really been going back and forth between the two. I’d get the 28 or the 20-35 zoom as well to compliment the x2d kit, but can you comfortably walk around with one lens x2d in a similar fashion to the Q? 

[Smogg]

1 hour ago, BigBabyEarl said:

Not to sidetrack a sidetracked convo- but anyone have the q3 43 and x2d 55? I’m heading to Europe in a few weeks and have really been going back and forth between the two. I’d get the 28 or the 20-35 zoom as well to compliment the x2d kit, but can you comfortably walk around with one lens x2d in a similar fashion to the Q? 

I use the X2D+55 as my main street photography tool when I go out for 3-5 hours to shoot. The Q3 43 is more of an everyday or rainy day camera for me.

[IkarusJohn]

6 hours ago, BigBabyEarl said:

Not to sidetrack a sidetracked convo- but anyone have the q3 43 and x2d 55? I’m heading to Europe in a few weeks and have really been going back and forth between the two. I’d get the 28 or the 20-35 zoom as well to compliment the x2d kit, but can you comfortably walk around with one lens x2d in a similar fashion to the Q? 

Sure - I used the X2D and 38V for 6 weeks last year in HK, France & Italy.  It’s obviously bigger and heavier (I don’t have a Q of any flavour), but it’s very nice in the hand.

I would say that it’s really fine if you’re out with the intention of taking photos - if you’re about and just taking a camera as a secondary item (in case something comes up), a smaller and lighter camera might be better.

Edited October 27, 2024 by IkarusJohn

[BigBabyEarl]

Bit the bullet and got an X2D, 55 and 28. I had every lens out on the counter and snapped away. They're all stunning. The 90 is probably next, although I honestly would love to own the entire collection of the new lenses. I still feel like a q3 43 makes sense and i'll hope to grab one soon. I traded my z9 and a couple lenses. I loved that system for its speed, colors, and accuracy- maybe I'll grab a sl3 used if the price is right. Anyhow, very excited to use the x2d.

[howiebrou]

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On 10/27/2024 at 3:22 PM, BigBabyEarl said:

Not to sidetrack a sidetracked convo- but anyone have the q3 43 and x2d 55? I’m heading to Europe in a few weeks and have really been going back and forth between the two. I’d get the 28 or the 20-35 zoom as well to compliment the x2d kit, but can you comfortably walk around with one lens x2d in a similar fashion to the Q? 

I have a Q343 and am waiting for my X2D with 55 so will hopeful be able to compare soon. The Q343 is amazing even at night. The X2D will have to be very good to compete.

[howiebrou]

On 10/24/2024 at 8:06 AM, SrMi said:

Some M lenses (especially longer ones) may work with X2D, but SL3 is a better match for M lenses than X2D. 

thanks. When I get it I will be able to try my M lenses. From what I have read it should still be worth the effort.

[40mm f/2]

When I bought a Leica Q, I was very tempted to get the X1D instead but it was just too slow. After the 907X50C came out it replaced the Q as I thought 26mm focal length (28mm as engraved) is just too wide for most of my images. I love to use the 907X with  a 28P, 45P and 90V.  The 907X with the 45P is more or less as compact as a Leica Q but heavier and I use it for extended backpacking trips.

The Leica Q3-43 is quite interesting for my uses but I  was hoping for a much more compact lens design. I wonder if that size weight lens is caused by using OIS instead of IBIS making the lens design much more complex? The lack of in camera focus bracketing in any Leica camera makes them a lot less interesting to me, a feature i am using quite frequently for close-ups with my Hasselblad. I am some what hesitant to get the X2D as I am expecting a X camera with faster readout/ frame rate  to be developed which would be very beneficial for focus bracketing (the faster the better success outdoors) and use of adapted lenses

[BigBabyEarl]

Nothing to be scared of. The X2D is not getting updated this soon. 

[dancook]

Got the X2D with 38, 55, 80, and the Leica Q3 - and I still want the Leica Q3 43 !

Unfortunately I'm all spent out for awhile, I will have to go out an shoot with the 55 more.

 

[Tom Bube]

I have the 55 and will buy the 907x 100c.

I also have the Q2 which is great, but i love also the idea to replace it with a XCD 28p or 38. So i have only one camera.

Portraits = 55
Landscape/Travel = 28p/38 (no bokeh needed)

If i want a really small camera than i take the iPhone. The Q is still to big to take it with you while Shopping etc. And it is not possible to load with USB-C

[BigBabyEarl]

I got the xcd 28 for the same reason. The new 75p should make for a good travel light kit. My big question is regarding AF, is the q3 that much faster than the x2d? If not, I see less reason to own both. 

[dancook]

38 minutes ago, BigBabyEarl said:

I got the xcd 28 for the same reason. The new 75p should make for a good travel light kit. My big question is regarding AF, is the q3 that much faster than the x2d? If not, I see less reason to own both. 

There is a variation of AF speed across lenses, but in general the Q3 is much faster than the X2D.

Low light, energetic live music is out of the X2D's comfort zone and you can expect to miss some shots, or take longer to get them, but when it hits I love it.

I would also use the Q3 for documentary/reportage stuff, including weddings. But I would not use the X2D if there was pressure to get the shots, only if I had time and it was mostly for my own pleasure.

I suppose it depends on how fast you like to work and what you expectations are.

 

I use Sony A1's for most of my professional work, but last wedding I paired the 50 1.2 GM and Leica Q3, and used the X2D for group shots and portraits.

Back when I had a Nikon D750 I paired a lens with the original Q for weddings.

Edited November 6, 2024 by dancook

[hoosierphotoguy]

In fact, I was mulling this decision. A used X2D in mint condition (plus lens) would be just a little more than the Q 43 I am impatiently waiting for….but I tried it out and I don’t think I could live with the slowness between shots….a great camera, a great menu system….I wanted to love it, particularly today of all days I could use some retail therapy, but I will just have to wait. 

[Smogg]

12 minutes ago, hoosierphotoguy said:

In fact, I was mulling this decision. A used X2D in mint condition (plus lens) would be just a little more than the Q 43 I am impatiently waiting for….but I tried it out and I don’t think I could live with the slowness between shots….a great camera, a great menu system….I wanted to love it, particularly today of all days I could use some retail therapy, but I will just have to wait. 

Switch to 14 bit mode and blackout becomes absolutely insignificant

[IkarusJohn]

I’ve never understood the comments about AF and capturing motion, but then I’ve only owned one Canon camera (a Canonet) and only had a coouple of Nikon AF lenses, and never gelled with either.  The whole idea of AF and capturing a particular motion smacks of pressing the shutter and hoping.  AF is something I’ve only ever fought with as it struggles to settle as I try to get the image I want.

Obviously, other’s experiences differ.  I suppose if I wanted to use AF, I’d buy a Canon.

My approach, I guess, is governed by film.  I think.  With my M cameras and the X2D, I try to think about the image I want, anticipate and prefocus on the spot I want - then, take the image at the moment I need.  AF is an impediment to this approach, in my experience.  The thing about the X2D is that it’s medium format, with lots of glass to move about.  If you want blazing AF, I would think APS-C or M4/3 would be a better approach.

But, what do I know, I don’t even use AF on my 38v …

[Tom Bube]

For weddings and couples portraits I have used the old GFX50s and the AF was fast enough, also for walking people. I used it often in Electronic shutter with no problems.

So I think the X2D or 907x 100c with the new lenses should be ok for me. My Q2 is very fast for me but i don't need that speed. I rent a Canon R6 for a wedding and don't get better pictures due to the better af.

[adrianh]

On 10/27/2024 at 1:22 PM, BigBabyEarl said:

Not to sidetrack a sidetracked convo- but anyone have the q3 43 and x2d 55? I’m heading to Europe in a few weeks and have really been going back and forth between the two. I’d get the 28 or the 20-35 zoom as well to compliment the x2d kit, but can you comfortably walk around with one lens x2d in a similar fashion to the Q? 

I have both and I would say that the Q3 wins 95% of the time. The Q3 is slower than the Z9 but way faster than the X2D. The AF is bad on the X2D (unreliable, slow and a mess with backligtning)  and the exposuse is at times unreliable. If you shoot only landscapes or focus mostly manually, that might not matter to you. The X2D is a joy to hold and use but the Q3 is still smaller. I can put both Q3 in an Oberwerth Harry&Sally for example. What annoys me a lot with the X2D is that it does not switch automatically the shutters. I shoot wide open a lot of the time and the X2D will not switch automatically to the electronic shutter in bright conditions. I lost some candid shots because of that. 

In terms of menus both are great, but for me the Hasselblad menus feel more like an Iphone and the Leica like the perfect photographer's tool. You could buy the X2D with 2 lenses or more of course. From a price point of view, I think you can get both Qs for the price of a X2D and 38 + 55 lenses. 

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[o2mpx]

How about an update on this thread, adding the new Fuji GFX100RF to the question?