Leica Q3 ?

[Simone_DF]

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11 hours ago, T25UFO said:

Leica offer other interchangeable lens options if you want different focal lengths.

Can you point out exactly which Leica camera offers autofocus and 50mm in a portable, compact and light body?

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[T25UFO]

3 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Yeah, so clever. Spend 8k on Q3 to crop to 50mm all the time 🙄

people that tend to shot most of their photos with a focal length over 35mm are much better served by a APSC camera if they still want to retain a compact weight / footprint, like a CL2, right?

Right, absolutely!  This is not a discussion about whether 35mm or 40mm or 50mm is a better option than 28mm.  I was simply making the point that all this speculation about a longer focal length Q has been ongoing since the first Q was released.  All hot air because the Q3 will be another 28mm f1.7 lens.  That's all.

Anyone who doubts the range of photography that can be achieved with the Q should look at portraits by @benqui.  The limitation is not the focal length, but rather the skill of the photographer.  Sadly I do not have @benqui skills but I keep trying 🙂

[Lelmer]

3 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

Right, absolutely!  This is not a discussion about whether 35mm or 40mm or 50mm is a better option than 28mm.  I was simply making the point that all this speculation about a longer focal length Q has been ongoing since the first Q was released.  

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There must be a good reason, don't you think?

[Simone_DF]

9 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

the Q3 will be another 28mm f1.7 lens.

Yes, absolutely the Q3 will have 28mm, but that won't prevent Leica to release a 50mm Q ALONGSIDE it. It's not either/or, especially now that Leica doesn't offer anything else in the compact 50mm range since the demise of the CL.

[wlaidlaw]

36 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Can you point out exactly which Leica camera offers autofocus and 50mm in a portable, compact and light body?

It used to be the much missed CL. I would far rather a 40MP version of the CL than the Q3 I have on order but it's not going to happen. 

Wilson

[thelivingyears]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Ronaldraw:

The people who are complaining have no Q

 

Of course. That‘s exactly why they are „complaining“ ( I wouldn‘t say they complain, they wish for a different focal length, that‘s all). Or they sold it like I did for the reason mentioned. 

[Simone_DF]

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15 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

It used to be the much missed CL. I would far rather a 40MP version of the CL than the Q3 I have on order but it's not going to happen. 

Yup. Which also means there’s a gap in the lineup waiting to be filled

[Casey Jefferson]

Gotta love the internet! People get their ego hurt just because someone else disagree! 🤣

Will I snatch one up if 40mm Q will ever come out? Hell yes, even if it's f2 (no thanks for 2.5 though). It'll be really nice move from Leica, but will I get upset if they'll never do it? Nope. The next best thing is to buy a Q and crop it to 35/40, while having the 28(26) available anytime...

[Simone_DF]

3 minutes ago, Casey Jefferson said:

The next best thing is to buy a Q and crop it to 35/40, while having the 28(26) available anytime...

Not really. If 40 or 50 is the preferred focal length, the best choice is a Fuji with a 50mm equivalent or a GRIIIx rather than cropping 

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

like a CL2, right?

The lack of which is why a number of us now have a Q2.

28mm-35mm does seem to be the sweet spot for compact lens design. As long as they continue to make a 28mm Q, I have no problem with them adding a longer lens version, but I would not be optimistic about a compact Summilux design (incl. OIS and leaf shutter) at more than 35. (Though I'd be happy to be proved wrong).

Edited May 6, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[snooper]

I wonder what the difference might be on a production line building a 28mm or a 40mm Q3 lens. I mean… is it this so different that the rumor about the Q3 being sold in 2 versions (28 or 40) is absolutely impossible?

[Casey Jefferson]

31 minutes ago, snooper said:

I wonder what the difference might be on a production line building a 28mm or a 40mm Q3 lens. I mean… is it this so different that the rumor about the Q3 being sold in 2 versions (28 or 40) is absolutely impossible?

We don't really know, everything are just speculations...

The Q series had such huge success because of the nature of the M - impossible to see the framelines with the 28/1.4 lux having so much VF blockage, so it's a great supplement to the M system (as well as SL), while serving as a one camera one lens solution for travellers. Leica also smart enough to make the Q lens render different than the actually 28lux-m, so all available 28mm lenses happily coexist with the Q.

A 40mm Q is going to serve a very different purpose... Again it's a great idea, just not as strong of an existence as the 28mm.

[Lelmer]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The lack of which is why a number of us now have a Q2.

28mm-35mm does seem to be the sweet spot for compact lens design. As long as they continue to make a 28mm Q, I have no problem with them adding a longer lens version, but I would not be optimistic about a compact Summilux design (incl. OIS and leaf shutter) at more than 35. (Though I'd be happy to be proved wrong).

A Summicron 40mm would also be fine with me 😊

[thelivingyears]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Casey Jefferson:

Gotta love the internet! People get their ego hurt just because someone else disagree! 🤣

Will I snatch one up if 40mm Q will ever come out? Hell yes, even if it's f2 (no thanks for 2.5 though). It'll be really nice move from Leica, but will I get upset if they'll never do it? Nope. The next best thing is to buy a Q and crop it to 35/40, while having the 28(26) available anytime...

I haven't read all the comments so you might be better informed. But who got upset because Leica might not release a 40mm Q camera? 

Why would someone become upset because of something like that? Yes, the internet is full of strange things. 

About the disagreement: There is a simple cure for those people. Add "for me" and everything's fine. I will never understand why this is so hard. Unfortunately some (lots of?) people cannot accept (for whatever reason) that other people have different preferences and that they also dare to articulate them. And yes, THAT is the internet.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by thelivingyears

[T25UFO]

20 minutes ago, thelivingyears said:

I haven't read all the comments so you might be better informed. But who got upset because Leica might not release a 40mm Q camera? 

Why would someone become upset because of something like that? Yes, the internet is full of strange things. 

About the disagreement: There is a simple cure for those people. Add "for me" and everything's fine. I will never understand why this is so hard. Unfortunately some (lots of?) people cannot accept (for whatever reason) that other people have different preferences and that they also dare to articulate them. And yes, THAT is the internet.

 

 

No problem with having different preferences, I just don't think people realise that squeezing a 40mm lens into the same Q body will result in a very different camera.  Different size, different weight, different overall footprint and almost certainly a slower aperture as well.

If Leica could build an identical camera, same size, same weight, same footprint with a 40mm f1.7 lens then no doubt it would sell.  I'm not an optical engineer, although I do have a little experience in this field, and I doubt such a camera would be possible.  Then you have the added R&D and production costs.

Of course, the other argument in favour of 28mm is you can crop to 50mm (even though some here don't like that) and still easily print to A3.  It's a little more difficult to produce a 28mm wide angle shot when the starting point is 50mm.  Not impossible if combining two or more photos in a pano, but certainly not as easy.

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, Lelmer said:

A Summicron 40mm would also be fine with me 😊

I already have a 40mm Summicron in M mount. 

Wilson

[Le Chef]

5 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Can you point out exactly which Leica camera offers autofocus and 50mm in a portable, compact and light body?

T, TL, TL2, CL…

[Simone_DF]

44 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

No problem with having different preferences, I just don't think people realise that squeezing a 40mm lens into the same Q body will result in a very different camera.  Different size, different weight, different overall footprint and almost certainly a slower aperture as well.

Well, Ricoh managed to keep the same size, footprint and aperture between the GRIII and the GRIIIx, so it should be possible.

I also believe people would accept a f2.0 as a compromise for a 40/50mm.  

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[Simone_DF]

Just now, Le Chef said:

T, TL, TL2, CL…

Which are all discontinued cameras with no future update path.

[Le Chef]

3 hours ago, snooper said:

I wonder what the difference might be on a production line building a 28mm or a 40mm Q3 lens. I mean… is it this so different that the rumor about the Q3 being sold in 2 versions (28 or 40) is absolutely impossible?

It’s not impossible but it adds significant expense. The Q/Q2 have shutters that are built into the lens and the lens is built into the camera. The lens was designed from the ground up for this application. A 40mm version would require the same ground up engineering. For Leica it would mean a second assembly line for the 40mm version including a separate set of SKU’s which adds still further to the overall cost. Remember the volumes of the Q2 are likely a fraction of the GRIII so economies of scale apply much less. In addition dealers have to stock another set of SKU’s which adds more expense for them.

When a 40mm equivalent can be achieved through a larger sensor and cropping much more cheaply for Leica, what’s the financial incentive for them to introduce another variant?