SL3 Rumors

[Dr. G]

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Note that SL3 will have a focal plane shutter, allowing 1/8000 with a mechanical shutter.

This is good news.  I’m hoping 1/16,000 in standard aperture mode.  For some reason on the Q3 you can’t get to 1/16,000 without jumping through some hoops.  

[helged]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

Note that SL3 will have a focal plane shutter, allowing 1/8000 with a mechanical shutter.

Thats fine. But the mechanical shutter will have quite reduced burst rate (fps) compared to electronic shutter. 

[SrMi]

2 hours ago, Dr. G said:

This is good news.  I’m hoping 1/16,000 in standard aperture mode.  For some reason on the Q3 you can’t get to 1/16,000 without jumping through some hoops.  

Because Q3 has a leaf shutter, its fastest mechanical shutter is 1/2000.

Edited February 18, 2024 by SrMi

[BernardC]

On 2/16/2024 at 7:58 AM, padam said:

Since when DXO is a reliable source. They have highly questionable antics regarding scoring various cameras.
If you want to see more useful test results, go to 

Care to be more specific about these "antics"? The main antics seems to come from fan forums when a camera doesn't score well.

The other source you mention is amateur hour. Nothing wrong with that, it's free and "for entertainment only," but it's hard to take seriously.

[Dr. G]

7 hours ago, SrMi said:

Because Q3 has a leaf shutter, its fastest mechanical shutter is 1/2000.

No, that’s not what I mean.  On the Q2 if you set the camera to aperture mode it would max out at 1/16,000 with the electronic shutter.  On the Q3 it maxes out at 1/8000 in aperture mode and you need to go into more settings to get it to shoot at 1/16,000.  

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Dr. G said:

No, that’s not what I mean.  On the Q2 if you set the camera to aperture mode it would max out at 1/16,000 with the electronic shutter.  On the Q3 it maxes out at 1/8000 in aperture mode and you need to go into more settings to get it to shoot at 1/16,000.  

Yes. I meant that you could have used a mechanical shutter with SL2 and likely SL3 for that bee shot, and you would not have seen the wing deformation.

[tom0511]

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As far as I understand electronic shutter is not the first choice for fast moving subjects except maybe some sports camera. Even with. my Canon R3 - a fast handball can look like an egg when using electronic shutter (why I use mechanical shutter mainly) - and I believe the readout of R3 is not that bad.

For shooting an insect and fast moving wings I would rather shoot with 1/2000 and mechanical shutter and either close f-stop a little (would hurt in the previous example imo) or use an ND filter.

 

 

Edited February 18, 2024 by tom0511

[Photoworks]

2 hours ago, Dr. G said:

No, that’s not what I mean.  On the Q2 if you set the camera to aperture mode it would max out at 1/16,000 with the electronic shutter.  On the Q3 it maxes out at 1/8000 in aperture mode and you need to go into more settings to get it to shoot at 1/16,000.  

why do you need 1/16000, the electronic shutter is still the issue of sensor readout. getting faster in not going to help. 

[goodbokeh]

I hope that Leica will (finally) include electronic first curtain shutter (EFCS) for the SL3.

The electronic shutter (ES) readout time for my SL2 is passable at 1/40 sec +/-. So I often use the SL2's ES for appropriate situations to benefit from that extra resolution it provides over mechanical shutter (MS). But with the slower readout speed of the 60 MP sensor on my Sony A7R5 (and likely the SL3) ES artifacts start showing up sooner and with greater negative effect. As a result I use EFCS almost all the time instead of MS with my 60 MP Sony for better image quality. Of course ES is the gold standard over EFCS,  which still has traces of shutter shock, for optical tests.

Panasonic L mount cameras have offered EFCS right from the start but the Leica SL line hasn't. Why this is, is a mystery to me. We all know the SLs have a lot of Panasonic DNA in them. Will Leica sees the EFCS light this time around?

[Dr. G]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

why do you need 1/16000, the electronic shutter is still the issue of sensor readout. getting faster in not going to help. 

For not overexposing wide open.  Didn’t ask that time in terms of the sensor readout issue.  
 

I was using my Summilix-SL on the SL2-S and my Q3 wide open for a beach event in Grand Cayman a few weeks ago and I was overexposing at 1/8000 on the Q3 with electronic shutter.  No issues with 1/16,000 on the SL2-S.  

I’ve been going to that event for years and with my Q2 I do have a few images that were properly exposed at 1/16,000 wide open.  Since the Q2 goes to 1/16,000 electronically in aperture mode and the Q3 doesn’t do it automatically I was just concerned that it may not be as easy as just keeping the SL3 in aperture mode in the same situation.  

[MediaFotografie]

...Leica's website still has a site for SL3:

https://leica-camera.com/de-DE/fotografie/kameras/sl/sl3-schwarz

but for all of us it is http-code 403: forbidden, not 404: not found  😉 

[AZN]

10 hours ago, MediaFotografie said:

...Leica's website still has a site for SL3:

https://leica-camera.com/de-DE/fotografie/kameras/sl/sl3-schwarz

but for all of us it is http-code 403: forbidden, not 404: not found  😉 

Interesting they use "schwarz" as part of the SL3 URL.  It may – MAY – imply that they will also have a chrome version (?)

[Simone_DF]

I'd love a silver version

[LEGEND]

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Edited February 19, 2024 by LEGEND

[MediaFotografie]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb AZN:

Interesting they use "schwarz" as part of the SL3 URL.  It may – MAY – imply that they will also have a chrome version (?)

...sorry, no, the corresponding silver URL is still 404 not found!

https://leica-camera.com/de-DE/fotografie/kameras/sl/sl3-silber

so maybe (much) later, we will see

[Sohail]

The silver SL2 is a thing of beauty. It's obviously reminiscent of retro styling. With its supposed tiltable screen, I doubt the SL3 will look quite as good. 

[CptSlevin]

I tested SL2S's autofocus for tracking a sitting person, while I was moving towards him and I can only say that AF is not only subpar, it's the worst I have ever seen.
The only real update SL3, SL3S need is decent phase AF.

By today's standards having 50-60% hit rate for that price is just criminal

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, Sohail said:

I doubt the SL3 will look quite as good. 

It may not look as good, but it will definitely perform better for low/high angled shots.

[Dr. G]

1 hour ago, CptSlevin said:

I tested SL2S's autofocus for tracking a sitting person, while I was moving towards him and I can only say that AF is not only subpar, it's the worst I have ever seen.
The only real update SL3, SL3S need is decent phase AF.

By today's standards having 50-60% hit rate for that price is just criminal

Having owned the Q3 for a while, AF will be better - but I hope they did more with it than in the Q3 because it's still not what I would call "great."

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[Sohail]

36 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

It may not look as good, but it will definitely perform better for low/high angled shots.

If performance is a priority, a silver Olympus OMD with a fully articulating screen would perform better too and cost and weigh significantly less.

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Edited February 19, 2024 by Sohail