Another M11 issues? Liveview

[jakontil]

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I dont or havent seen such issues reported here, but few weeks ago, a couple of my friends exhibited the same issues, where liveview dont work, because the shutter won’t open, like his case now

 

 

[robsonj]

Did the issue resolve itself for your friends?

[jakontil]

46 minutes ago, robsonj said:

Did the issue resolve itself for your friends?

Unfortunately no, they had to send it back to leica, but one of their camera was a month old, my local dealer swapped with a new one only he had to wait till it was in stock within a month

[Malvolio]

Hmm fingers crossed - I hope there isn't something inherently wrong with the design of the M11 that leads to these sorts of issues - I have had mine since September and so far so good. No Issues at all.

[DenverSteve]

5-15% of consumer electronics fail.  With the WWW everyone that has an issue complains making it seem like the sky is falling.  The camera is no exception.  If your friends' camera is having an issue, have them contact Leica and have it taken care of.  It's going to happen. 

[jakontil]

2 hours ago, DenverSteve said:

5-15% of consumer electronics fail.  With the WWW everyone that has an issue complains making it seem like the sky is falling.  The camera is no exception.  If your friends' camera is having an issue, have them contact Leica and have it taken care of.  It's going to happen. 

Done and did accordingly, just trying to see if anybody else having the same issues, and im aware it’s electronic, even mechanical broke too out of the box 😉

[robsonj]

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25 minutes ago, jqian6 said:

Looks like another electronic fault that should/can be fixed by a firmware update?

It cannot be mechanical though because the camera still can take pictures, it just cannot open shutter when it’s turned on. Must be some sort of software mess up .

 

It could relate to some startup timing issue, which doesn’t exclude being caused by a hardware failure or hardware failing 

[SiggiGun]

Some of this FW bugs are  "know". Not all are simple to reproduce. However, the "LV" bug is fixed in version 1.6 

Zitat

 

but very difficult

[Photoworks]

10 hours ago, jakontil said:

I dont or havent seen such issues reported here, but few weeks ago, a couple of my friends exhibited the same issues, where liveview dont work, because the shutter won’t open, like his case now

 

 

That is the feature that so many of you where asking for. works just like an M-A

 

[lct]

10 hours ago, jakontil said:

[...] just trying to see if anybody else having the same issues [...]

Happened to me once when i received the camera in April 2022. Black screen and black EVF. I just forgot to tap the LV control panel... No problem since then.

[sdk]

I had trouble somewhat like this with a battery that was very low in power. The M11 would start to turn on then immediately turn off. Charged the battery and all worked as it should.

[Tailwagger]

Nope... haven't seen this one. 

[trickness]

On 1/18/2023 at 1:57 AM, DenverSteve said:

5-15% of consumer electronics fail.  With the WWW everyone that has an issue complains making it seem like the sky is falling.  The camera is no exception.  If your friends' camera is having an issue, have them contact Leica and have it taken care of.  It's going to happen. 

Literally, every friend I have who shoots with an M11 has intermittent problems with the camera freezing, even after changing memory cards, even after updating the firmware. Minimizing problems, and making flippant statements like “contact Leica and they’ll fix it” ignores the fact that it takes them months to turn around repairs. And for nine grand, you would hope that the camera functions reliably, at least in its basic functionality out of the box. Guy in the video is on his 3rd freaking M11. Ridiculous.

It’s absolutely shocking that they put this camera out into the marketplace with all the issues it has. They need new beta testers, either that or they need to listen to the people who test the cameras. There’s no way these issues weren’t apparent in beta. Or perhaps it’s like so many software companies who put out products that they know have problems, and then just figure the early adopters will suffer, and then they will fix everything in firmware. They probably had a date on the board when the camera needed to come out, all the marketing commitments they made, and they released it regardless.

I have a sinking feeling the M11 is going to be the “notorious” camera in the M digital lineup, they will fix these issues in future versions, and the resale value on these particular bodies is going to be terrible in the years to come.
 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by trickness

[jakontil]

28 minutes ago, trickness said:

Literally, every friend I have who shoots with an M11 has intermittent problems with the camera freezing, even after changing memory cards, even after updating the firmware. Minimizing problems, and making flippant statements like “contact Leica and they’ll fix it” ignores the fact that it takes them months to turn around repairs. And for nine grand, you would hope that the camera functions reliably, at least in its basic functionality out of the box. Guy in the video is on his 3rd freaking M11. Ridiculous.

It’s absolutely shocking that they put this camera out into the marketplace with all the issues it has. They need new beta testers, either that or they need to listen to the people who test the cameras. There’s no way these issues weren’t apparent in beta. Or perhaps it’s like so many software companies who put out products that they know have problems, and then just figure the early adopters will suffer, and then they will fix everything in firmware. They probably had a date on the board when the camera needed to come out, all the marketing commitments they made, and they released it regardless.

I have a sinking feeling the M11 is going to be the “notorious” camera in the M digital lineup, they will fix these issues in future versions, and the resale value on these particular bodies is going to be terrible in the years to come.
 

 

 

Let’s hope they will fix everything through firmware issues, and when they do, people would forget easily… and resale value wont be affected much, i remember m10 early batch suffered from iso dial issues which stuck literally its iso value wont change even manually… first 6 months, mostly get swapped and now most people tend to forget, i wont forget but i prayed everyday my m10 was free of the issue

 Now the reason why i posted this, when my friends had the issues i thought it was isolated problem, and until it appeared on YT someone else having the same, however its quite minority taking on the related issues being reported here, so i can relax a little

[lct]

18 minutes ago, trickness said:

They need new beta testers, either that or they need to listen to the people who test the cameras. There’s no way these issues weren’t apparent in beta.

Not to defend the M11 beta testing process but last time i was a beta tester (M240) i worked with my own memory cards. If i had been testing the M11 i would have used my then current UHS-I Sandisk cards and i would have not seen more issues than the ones i got with those cards i.e. zero.

[trickness]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Not to defend the M11 beta testing process but last time i was a beta tester (M240) i worked with my own memory cards. If i had been testing the M11 i would have used my then current UHS-I Sandisk cards and i would have not seen more issues than the ones i got with those cards i.e. zero.

Yeah, but as a beta tester, to do the job properly, shouldn’t the tester be using a variety of cards?

and then, of course, there’s that other thread on here that talks about the card reader technology in the camera that is 9 years old and has a problem with higher data transfer speeds because it’s so ancient. Don’t know whether this has actually been confirmed or if it’s somebody just spouting, conspiracy theories, but if they are using some old transfer bridge inside the camera that creates a bottleneck and causes freezing, that’s pretty lame for something that costs nine grand.

[lct]

49 minutes ago, trickness said:

Don’t know whether this has actually been confirmed or if it’s somebody just spouting, conspiracy theories, but if they are using some old transfer bridge inside the camera that creates a bottleneck and causes freezing, that’s pretty lame for something that costs nine grand.

I have no idea about this old transfer bridge but i'm no techie sorry. I just hope the firmware update announced by Leica will be more efficient than 1.6. There was an old joke about Leica's QC, wondering if it was done by student interns. I wouldn't dare ask the same question about their electronics people but the temptation is great sometimes...

[elmars]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb trickness:

Literally, every friend I have who shoots with an M11 has intermittent problems with the camera freezing, even after changing memory cards, even after updating the firmware. Minimizing problems, and making flippant statements like “contact Leica and they’ll fix it” ignores the fact that it takes them months to turn around repairs. And for nine grand, you would hope that the camera functions reliably, at least in its basic functionality out of the box. Guy in the video is on his 3rd freaking M11. Ridiculous.

It’s absolutely shocking that they put this camera out into the marketplace with all the issues it has. They need new beta testers, either that or they need to listen to the people who test the cameras. There’s no way these issues weren’t apparent in beta. Or perhaps it’s like so many software companies who put out products that they know have problems, and then just figure the early adopters will suffer, and then they will fix everything in firmware. They probably had a date on the board when the camera needed to come out, all the marketing commitments they made, and they released it regardless.

I have a sinking feeling the M11 is going to be the “notorious” camera in the M digital lineup, they will fix these issues in future versions, and the resale value on these particular bodies is going to be terrible in the years to come.
 

 

 

Forgive me for being blunt: Some people are always complaining that because Leica is so expensive, there shouldn't be any mistakes. As if Leica wanted to personally annoy or insult people like you. You can assume that they would rather take care of new things than troubleshooting.

All manufacturers have their problems. For the top Canon/Sony/Nikon products, it's about 7%. I don't know how high it is at Leica, but it is said to be unusually low on the M11 (and the S).

And: During the beta test there were massive crashes. I participated in this. With the release firmware there were no more. We also used different SD cards.

The freezes are extremely annoying for those who are affected by them. Leica thought they had fixed most of it with 1.6.0.0. I guess they haven't, so they need to keep working.

[Herr Barnack]

On 1/18/2023 at 1:57 AM, DenverSteve said:

5-15% of consumer electronics fail.  With the WWW everyone that has an issue complains making it seem like the sky is falling.  The camera is no exception.  If your friends' camera is having an issue, have them contact Leica and have it taken care of.  It's going to happen. 

The M11 has made me hope fervently that Leica never decides to start making passenger jets. 😳

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[jakontil]

8 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

The M11 has made me hope fervently that Leica never decides to start making passenger jets. 😳

that denversteve guy must have missed reading my 1st post regarding how my friends problem have been dealt with 😃