tom.w.bn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #21  Posted January 7, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Panasonic S1R has an Xpan aspect ratio setting but I fail to get compositions that work. Someone from my local film community bought the Xpan some time ago but was also not successful to get consistent shots that were interesting so he sold the camera again. Interesting aspect ratio but hard to fill. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Park Lee Posted January 7, 2023 Share #22  Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) This is actually a stitched photo on Linhof Techno with Rodenstock HR Digaron 32mm f4 with Phase One IQ160 in 2014 later cropped to 3:1 ratio in P.S. after stitching changing aspect ratio is actually a great way to enjoy our existing gears of 3:2 or 4:3 in most Medium format cameras we are not limited to just any one camera, the Hasselblad A12 film back also has an accessory that mask a shot to 2:1 ratio theres so much more fun when we actually train our eyes to look for subjects and scenes that works, and is so much more fun Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 7, 2023 by Park Lee 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4632595'>More sharing options...
PeterGA Posted January 8, 2023 Share #23  Posted January 8, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4633090'>More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 9, 2023 Share #24  Posted January 9, 2023 Remove if not allowed, but a couple with the Q2m from today Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4634385'>More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 10, 2023 Share #25  Posted January 10, 2023 I think I''ll have to stop doing this, else I'll find myself looking for an XPan!  :0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M11, 50mm Noctilux f1.2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M11, 50mm Noctilux f1.2 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4636341'>More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 10, 2023 Share #26  Posted January 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Keith (M) said: I think I''ll have to stop doing this, else I'll find myself looking for an XPan!  :0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M11, 50mm Noctilux f1.2 I think you’ll actually get better quality out of your m11 and lens combo, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2023 Share #27  Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I've used a Fuji GX617 for over 25 years, I prefer the 3:1 format on film far more than simply cropping a digital file either in camera or in post to replicate the 3:1 aspect ratio. To me, simple cropping hardly ever quite looks right, it usually looks cropped. It really comes down to the intended end use of the image, for web display cropping is probably adequate for many. Alongside my GX617, I also used an XPan ii with 45 & 90mm for a couple of years in the early 2000's and before that I used a 35mm 'panoramic' adapter on a Mamiya 7ii for commissioned work.  Both are nice enough cameras within their limits, but I definitely would not pay the prices either of these cameras are fetching now. There is simply no comparison in the imaging quality of an XPan or other 65x24mm frame compared with 6x17 format or a stitched and cropped high resolution digital file. The difference in prints, which should be the benchmark for any such comparison, is massive and conclusive. That's why my XPan ii and Mamiya 7ii are long gone and why I kept, and still regularly use, my Fuji GX617.   Edited January 10, 2023 by Ouroboros 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted January 10, 2023 Share #28  Posted January 10, 2023 Even as here with the 18mpg M9P this sort of thing can give you a perfectly decent photo - obviously best at full resolution. Some buildings really demand it. Summilux 35 pre-asph: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4636488'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 14, 2023 Share #29  Posted January 14, 2023 Here's a 3:1 crop from a shot I posted in the M11 images thread. Given the subject, I think the wide crop strengthens the picture.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4642802'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 14, 2023 Share #30  Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) On 1/10/2023 at 10:38 AM, Ouroboros said: I've used a Fuji GX617 for over 25 years, I prefer the 3:1 format on film far more than simply cropping a digital file either in camera or in post to replicate the 3:1 aspect ratio. To me, simple cropping hardly ever quite looks right, it usually looks cropped. It really comes down to the intended end use of the image, for web display cropping is probably adequate for many. Alongside my GX617, I also used an XPan ii with 45 & 90mm for a couple of years in the early 2000's and before that I used a 35mm 'panoramic' adapter on a Mamiya 7ii for commissioned work.  Both are nice enough cameras within their limits, but I definitely would not pay the prices either of these cameras are fetching now. There is simply no comparison in the imaging quality of an XPan or other 65x24mm frame compared with 6x17 format or a stitched and cropped high resolution digital file. The difference in prints, which should be the benchmark for any such comparison, is massive and conclusive. That's why my XPan ii and Mamiya 7ii are long gone and why I kept, and still regularly use, my Fuji GX617. If your camera supports Xpan ratio in viewfinder and in output, then the experience and result will be the same as if shooting with a sensor in Xpan format. What difference do you see? Film has a special beauty, but it does not have better IQ than digital. Edited January 14, 2023 by SrMi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 15, 2023 Share #31  Posted January 15, 2023 16 hours ago, SrMi said:  .....Film has a special beauty, but it does not have better IQ than digital.  Oh come on, that is so old, so ill-informed, it's a throw-away comment.  In any case, a stitched and cropped 3:1 ratio, ie, an image that you've actually thought about and planned beforehand, will invariably have better IQ to satisfy your obsession and, as a bonus, provide you with more options to work with in post and intended output than simply cropping a frame in an attempt to make the scene fit within. Try this; have Epson, Canon or HP run out 15x5' prints of your 6x17 work whilst you're speaking at a busy photography trade show. I can recommend it.  Then try to tell me something about 'IQ' that I, or the many other photographers who work with these formats don't know!  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 15, 2023 Share #32  Posted January 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, Ouroboros said:  Oh come on, that is so old, so ill-informed, it's a throw-away comment.  In any case, a stitched and cropped 3:1 ratio, ie, an image that you've actually thought about and planned beforehand, will invariably have better IQ to satisfy your obsession and, as a bonus, provide you with more options to work with in post and intended output than simply cropping a frame in an attempt to make the scene fit within. Try this; have Epson, Canon or HP run out 15x5' prints of your 6x17 work whilst you're speaking at a busy photography trade show. I can recommend it.  Then try to tell me something about 'IQ' that I, or the many other photographers who work with these formats don't know!  Took a look at your website, there are some lovely examples of wide format photos there, no idea if they’re film or digital, matters not, lovely photos! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2023 Share #33  Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, robsonj said: Took a look at your website, there are some lovely examples of wide format photos there, no idea if they’re film or digital, matters not, lovely photos! Lovely photographs, indeed. @Ouroboros's Instagram feed contains some information about images. He seems to use Fuji GX617, which is 6x17 using 120 or 220 film instead of 35mm like XPan. I can only imagine the quality of those negatives. Edited January 15, 2023 by SrMi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 15, 2023 Share #34  Posted January 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, SrMi said: Lovely photographs, indeed. @Ouroboros's Instagram feed contains some information about images. He seems to use Fuji GX617, which is 6x17 using 120 or 220 film instead of 35mm like XPan. I can only imagine the quality of those negatives. Thanks, it's there in post #27.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted January 15, 2023 Share #35 Â Posted January 15, 2023 The Leica SL2 has 1:3 crop lines built in. Just discovered that! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2023 Share #36 Â Posted January 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, Overgaard said: The Leica SL2 has 1:3 crop lines built in. Just discovered that! Yes, but 3:1 looks quite different from 2.7:1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 15, 2023 Share #37 Â Posted January 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes, but 3:1 looks quite different from 2.7:1. Maybe, but it gets you in the ballpark enough for compositional purposes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2023 Share #38 Â Posted January 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, robsonj said: Maybe, but it gets you in the ballpark enough for compositional purposes The top and bottom parts of a 2.7:1 frame are blacked out in 3:1 aspect ratio. I do not think it helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted January 16, 2023 Share #39  Posted January 16, 2023 21 hours ago, robsonj said: Maybe, but it gets you in the ballpark enough for compositional purposes The file (on preview on camera and in post) has the full frame, so you can correct the tilting and more. Puts you in the mindset. Saved me $6,000 right there. Now I just want it on the M as well 🙂  1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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