jakontil Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1621  Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) My M11 rarely freezes all things considered.. but i stretched my luck and kept shooting on quick successions with a single mode shoots, and bang! It freezes.. well at least if i know how far it will go, i might avoid it later, that was my intention have been using sony sdcard UHS II 300mb/s Edited July 10, 2023 by jakontil Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1622  Posted July 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, jakontil said: have been using sony sdcard UHS II 300mb/s Do you mean another Sony card than your "Tough" copy? Just curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1623 Â Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, lct said: Do you mean another Sony card than your "Tough" copy? Just curious. I never have a sony tough, but yeah it was released way before the tough UHS II, 300mb/s speed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1624  Posted July 10, 2023 4 hours ago, lct said: Interesting thank you. Do you mean SD card only was the storage option when the freeze occurred? Just curious. No, IN only when freeze occurred. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1625  Posted July 10, 2023 vor 7 Stunden schrieb bkphoto: I’ve shot thousands of photos on my M11 without issue until today, after taking several photos in succession I go to take another photo and…nothing. No response from the camera. The camera is on/metering and everything. Had to pull the battery.  This was the only time I’ve been shooting with internal memory (no SD in the camera). I always use SD card only.  I think that what you describe here has little to do with the freezing problem that can really be a big problem for some M11 users. Your case is just a software hanger as it happens with every electronic device in some situations. Think of how often you had to reboot some Software on your PC during the last 12 months. You write it yourself that up to today you shoot tousands of pictures without any problem. So I am sure that you will be happy during some additional thousands of shots. I hope that you agree. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1626  Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, jakontil said: I never have a sony tough, but yeah it was released way before the tough UHS II, 300mb/s speed Sorry, i misread your post below  1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1627  Posted July 10, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 hours ago, bkphoto said: I’ve shot thousands of photos on my M11 without issue until today, after taking several photos in succession I go to take another photo and…nothing. No response from the camera. The camera is on/metering and everything. Had to pull the battery.  This was the only time I’ve been shooting with internal memory (no SD in the camera). I always use SD card only.   8 hours ago, lct said: Interesting thank you. Do you mean SD card only was the storage option when the freeze occurred? Just curious. There are storage options that might cause the camera to get very confused when you shoot with no SD card. For example, if you have set DNG --> SD card, JPEG --> IN, and then shoot DNG only... Were you set to force a write to the missing SD card, without overflow to the IN memory? There is also an option to write ONLY on the SD card, but I am not sure why one would use that. And since there is an error message that shows in the M10s (from the days before the IN memory) when you start up the camera with no SD card, I would expect that message would still be there if you selected the SD ONLY option in the menu but failed to insert an SD card. Just checked. The message appeared when I pressed the shutter with SD only option set but no card present. The camera did not freeze. Then I set DNG --> SD, removed the SD card and shot a few frames. No error message, and the shots went to the IN memory. No freeze. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1628  Posted July 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:  There are storage options that might cause the camera to get very confused when you shoot with no SD card. For example, if you have set DNG --> SD card, JPEG --> IN, and then shoot DNG only... Were you set to force a write to the missing SD card, without overflow to the IN memory? There is also an option to write ONLY on the SD card, but I am not sure why one would use that. And since there is an error message that shows in the M10s (from the days before the IN memory) when you start up the camera with no SD card, I would expect that message would still be there if you selected the SD ONLY option in the menu but failed to insert an SD card. Just checked. The message appeared when I pressed the shutter with SD only option set but no card present. The camera did not freeze. Then I set DNG --> SD, removed the SD card and shot a few frames. No error message, and the shots went to the IN memory. No freeze. No freeze here either but i can't seem to find a storage option for all files on IN and zero on SD. Am i missing something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1629  Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, M11 for me said: I think that what you describe here has little to do with the freezing problem that can really be a big problem for some M11 users. Your case is just a software hanger as it happens with every electronic device in some situations. Think of how often you had to reboot some Software on your PC during the last 12 months. You write it yourself that up to today you shoot tousands of pictures without any problem. So I am sure that you will be happy during some additional thousands of shots. I hope that you agree. 100% disagree. I’ve never experienced this with a single digital camera in my lifetime - 20+ years across Canon, Fuji and Sony. It’s an unacceptable bug, especially when you factor in the cost of the device. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1630  Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, lct said: No freeze here either but i can't seem to find a storage option for all files on IN and zero on SD. Am i missing something? Remove your SD and it will shoot to IN only. I’m just suggesting it’s possible that IN only shooting is more susceptible to crashing, for some unknown reason. Edited July 10, 2023 by bkphoto Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1631 Â Posted July 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, bkphoto said: Remove your SD and it will shoot to IN only. [...] Indeed and it is why i asked you if SD card only was the storage option when the freeze occurred. You answered no but i still don't understand what storage option was selected then. Just trying to understand, sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1632  Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, lct said: Indeed and it is why i asked you if SD card only was the storage option when the freeze occurred. You answered no but i still don't understand what storage option was selected then. Just trying to understand, sorry. Of course - to clarify I was set to SD -> IN but had no SD card in the device. Honestly I thought my SD was in, I would have appreciated some type of notice that it was missing even if I still am able to shoot to IN. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1633  Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bkphoto said: Of course - to clarify I was set to SD -> IN but had no SD card in the device. Honestly I thought my SD was in, I would have appreciated some type of notice that it was missing even if I still am able to shoot to IN. "SD--> IN" isn't an option. When I set all --> SD (and nothing to IN) and try to shoot without an SD card, I just get an error message and no picture is taken. This happens whether I am shooting DNG, JPEG or both. With my usual setting (DNG + JPG --> SD first, then INT, but leave the SD chip out it writes to the INT memory without any complaint. Which curious, because when I use this setting and have a full SD card, it gives me an error message, and requires a button press to acknowledge, which is an annoying delay.   Edited July 10, 2023 by scott kirkpatrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 10, 2023 Share #1634  Posted July 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said: "SD--> IN" isn't an option. When I set all --> SD (and nothing to IN) and try to shoot without an SD card, I just get an error message and no picture is taken. This happens whether I am shooting DNG, JPEG or both. With my usual setting (DNG + JPG --> SD first, then INT, but leave the SD chip out it writes to the INT memory without any complaint. Which curious, because when I use this setting and have a full SD card, it gives me an error message, and requires a button press to acknowledge, which is an annoying delay.   Sorry, SD+IN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted July 11, 2023 Share #1635  Posted July 11, 2023 14 hours ago, M11 for me said: I think that what you describe here has little to do with the freezing problem that can really be a big problem for some M11 users. Your case is just a software hanger as it happens with every electronic device in some situations. Think of how often you had to reboot some Software on your PC during the last 12 months. You write it yourself that up to today you shoot tousands of pictures without any problem. So I am sure that you will be happy during some additional thousands of shots. I hope that you agree. Exactly what i thought, a reboot once in a while might help since M11 users might have the tendency to use usb port to transfer and charge, never take the battery off which would do a hard reboot i presume but that’s my wild thoughts… this only relates to software problem, not solving the more complexed situation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphoto Posted July 11, 2023 Share #1636  Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, jakontil said: Exactly what i thought, a reboot once in a while might help since M11 users might have the tendency to use usb port to transfer and charge, never take the battery off which would do a hard reboot i presume but that’s my wild thoughts… this only relates to software problem, not solving the more complexed situation I’ve never had to do this for any camera in my life, that said battery life is much longer on M11. It definitely could just be another firmware reliability issue. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2023 Share #1637 Â Posted July 11, 2023 Or contradictory orders given to the camera. SD+IN = priority to SD vs no card inserted = priority to IN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 11, 2023 Share #1638  Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) vor 14 Stunden schrieb lct: Or contradictory orders given to the camera. SD+IN = priority to SD vs no card inserted = priority to IN. However this was not a reason for my camera to fail. I just tested it out. If no SD card is recognised my M11 just goes to internal memory. No freeze 😊 Edited July 11, 2023 by M11 for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2023 Share #1639  Posted July 11, 2023 3 hours ago, M11 for me said: However this was not a reason for my camera to fail. I just tested it out. If no SD card is recognised my M11 just goes to internal memory. No freeze 😊 My M11 doesn't freeze either but i'm not sure all M11 cameras have the exact same response to contradictory orders. Reminds me of uncoded lenses some people try to use with lens detection auto. If the camera were correctly designed, lens detection auto should be disabled or greyed out when an uncoded lens is mounted. Similar issue here. Storage options involving SD should be disabled or greyed out when no SD card is inserted. Fact is this is not the way the M11 is working for now, hence sub-optimal situations where contradictory orders can be given to the camera. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscdsc Posted July 13, 2023 Share #1640 Â Posted July 13, 2023 My M11 has been reliable since the newer firmwares. However I started getting a different type of lock up/freeze in the past week. This time the lock ups happen when using live view. The live view image freezes and there is no response to any button. even turning off the switch doesn't close the shutter. I have to pull the battery. This sounds a little crazy but these freezes have coincided with when I got my 35mm FLEv2 a week ago. I've experienced the lock up three times in the last 7 days. Â anyone else see this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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