a.noctilux Posted October 27, 2022 Share #41 Posted October 27, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, tomasis7 said: 25mm elmar and 50mm summarit Please show us this rare 25mm Elmar. Summarit that I use(1.5/50) is hardly "light", Summarit-M (2.4/2.5/50) can be light though. I do agree for Summarit-M. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chimichurri Posted October 27, 2022 Share #42 Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) On 10/26/2022 at 12:55 AM, TheEyesHaveIt said: Hi all - new to the M system (have and love a Q2). Just paid for an M11 today, so next up is figuring out lenses. I am a fan of a small, lightweight combo that I can easily take (and walk around all day with) if I travel, especially to Europe. I am not taking the Q2 along as well (plan to sell it eventually). I don't shoot portraits or wildlife or flowers. I haven't shot street in the past - I more like capturing a city's architecture or landscape. Stuff like the photo below (taken with my Q2). Compared to the Q2, I sometimes feel I need more reach (where I can't zoom in with my feet) and I used to use a 16-35 on my Sony and really liked the wide angle view. Based on that, I have two combos in mind, but finding it hard to choose: Combo 1 Voigtlander 15mm 4.5 ($750 new) Leica 28mm 2.8 Elmarit ($2800 new) Leica 50mm 1.4 Summilux ($4500 new) Combo 2 Voigtlander 21mm 4.0 ($420 new) Leica 35mm 1.4 Summilux ($5400 new) 7artisans 75mm 1.25 ($450 new) or Leica Macro-Elmar 90mm 4.0 ($4000 new) I don't know how Voigtlander and 7artisan lenses compare to Leica's (outside of the price) and I'm ok with spending on the Leica lenses for the "primary" focal lengths that I would shoot (very long or very wide would be more rare - not the general walk around lens I would keep on the camera). What do folks think or are there other options that I'm missing? Cheers! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Unless you have to have a Leica 28mm, except for the 28f5.6 Summaron, you can save your money and get the 28f2 Ultron II. Thank me later 50. Do you really need f1.4? If you do, consider a used mint 50f1.4 v2. This is the size of a summicron. I like my combo of the 50 cron and the 28 Ultron. very small and light The Cron The Ultron I tried the bigger more perfect super sharp lenses. It was totally overkill unnecessary for me. I got tired of it and I now prefer more character and imperfections. Smaller lighter lenses just fit the M better. Smaller lenses tend to be more imperfect, but they just fit the whole Leica M thing better. And more Megapixels doesn’t mean you need more perfect lenses. That’s what I thought. I have 40MP so I need to have a perfect lens to take advantage of the sensor. I was wrong. All the sensor does is enhance what the lens already is. There is no such thing as “Lens X can’t ‘resolve the sensor’”. At least for me. Edited October 27, 2022 by Chimichurri 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyesHaveIt Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share #43 Posted October 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Chimichurri said: Unless you have to have a Leica 28mm, except for the 28f5.6 Summaron, you can save your money and get the 28f2 Ultron II. Thank me later 50. Do you really need f1.4? If you do, consider a used mint 50f1.4 v2. This is the size of a summicron. I like my combo of the 50 cron and the 28 Ultron. very small and light The Cron Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Ultron I tried the bigger more perfect super sharp lenses. It was totally overkill unnecessary for me. I got tired of it and I now prefer more character and imperfections. Smaller lighter lenses just fit the M better. Smaller lenses tend to be more imperfect, but they just fit the whole Leica M thing better. And more Megapixels doesn’t mean you need more perfect lenses. That’s what I thought. I have 40MP so I need to have a perfect lens to take advantage of the sensor. I was wrong. All the sensor does is enhance what the lens already is. There is no such thing as “Lens X can’t ‘resolve the sensor’”. At least for me. A great perspective - and thank you for showing the lens with some perspective of scale! Very helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted October 27, 2022 Share #44 Posted October 27, 2022 3 hours ago, TheEyesHaveIt said: A great perspective - and thank you for showing the lens with some perspective of scale! Very helpful. A lot of people take pictures of their lenses wide angle. So it makes them look longer than they really are. Here is the APO-Lanthar Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It’s not crazy huge. It’s the size of a summilux. But that’s f 1.4. For an f2 this lens is just too big and heavy. I think it would be perfect for the SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It’s not crazy huge. It’s the size of a summilux. But that’s f 1.4. For an f2 this lens is just too big and heavy. I think it would be perfect for the SL. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/342288-new-m11-best-lightweight-small-travel-combo/?do=findComment&comment=4547278'>More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted October 28, 2022 Share #45 Posted October 28, 2022 You can give him that feedback. “It doesn’t matter which one you buy. They’re all small and light”. 🤷🏻♂️ Thats a very short thread 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted October 28, 2022 Share #46 Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) After IQ the next factor in lens selection to me would be handling and viewfinder blockage. Its bothersome to lug around a front heavy lens. Horses for courses however... I appreciate small lightweight lens and a 50 Cron is as far as id go. Otherwise I'd better just go with a SL or other FF evf camera. Edited October 28, 2022 by cboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted October 28, 2022 Share #47 Posted October 28, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, cboy said: After IQ the next factor in lens selection to me would be handling and viewfinder blockage. Its bothersome to lug around a front heavy lens. Horses for courses however... I appreciate small lightweight lens and a 50 Cron is as far as id go. Otherwise I'd better just go with a SL or other FF evf camera. Yea exactly. This is the issue with the APO Lanthar. It’s not a huge lens. It’s just front heavy and blocks the finder. With the hood, if you like hoods, it’s too much. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Summicron is really overall the best 50f2 for the M. I would say the best every day 50mm for the M. It’s pointless to say compared to this everything is small This is no answer at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Summicron is really overall the best 50f2 for the M. I would say the best every day 50mm for the M. It’s pointless to say compared to this everything is small This is no answer at all. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/342288-new-m11-best-lightweight-small-travel-combo/?do=findComment&comment=4547428'>More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 28, 2022 Share #48 Posted October 28, 2022 20 hours ago, M11 for me said: well, is it really true that with Fuji you need no light at all? I have my doubts 🤪 But much too cheap and plastic. Yes, a X100V will focus in absolute blackness, with the AF illuminator on, but that is cheating; with it off I can still focus in light too dim for reading e.g. when set to ISO 25600 1/30s f/2. The X100V upgraded the top plate to solid aluminium; not quite as good in the hand as a M, but it now feels more solid that the APS-C Leica CL Leica abandoned. I would say the X100V is the perfect B camera to accompany a M ; it does all the things a rangefinder cannot ( AF, very close focus, flip screen, OVF/EVF in body, video ). It is behind on absolute image quality and the rangefinder experience, so a M10/11 with 28/35/50 is still king, but the convenience of the X100V is undeniable ( same could probably be said for the Q2). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted October 28, 2022 Share #49 Posted October 28, 2022 4 hours ago, FrozenInTime said: a X100V will focus in absolute blackness For me, if there’s no light there’s no picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 29, 2022 Share #50 Posted October 29, 2022 Rollei 40mm f2.8 UC Hexanon 35 f2 Any summicron 35mm pre-asph Summicron 50mm collapsible Any elmar lens Any LTM lens (leica or otherwise) I like to keep all my lenses below 250g, anything higher feels too heavy to carry over long periods of time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 29, 2022 Share #51 Posted October 29, 2022 vor 17 Stunden schrieb Chimichurri: For me, if there’s no light there’s no picture. That is not the point. The point is that Fuji can focus in ABSOLUTE blackness. This is a must have 😁 I never experienced a situation for a REAL photo where I could not focus with the rangefinder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted October 29, 2022 Share #52 Posted October 29, 2022 5 hours ago, M11 for me said: I never experienced a situation for a REAL photo where I could not focus with the rangefinder. Me neither. I mean if I can see it I can focus on it. If I can’t see it then, I wouldn’t take a picture of it … well I wouldn’t know it was there. I can’t see it. 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 29, 2022 Share #53 Posted October 29, 2022 Owning all all kinds of focal length my personal choices changes every couple of years. 50 has always been a important focal length for me for photos of my beloved ones from shorter distances. 28 for groups including the surrounding, maybe my favorite of today for the M. 35 in between. I find 24 kind of boring so then I rather go to 21mm. 75 is nice for portrait and smaller things/details with a little more compressed view. Overall, for the optical rangefinder 28/35/50 work best, and 35mm the very best IMO. but its very personal taste- so only you can know. Starting with 35mm sounds like a good idea, buying used as well, since you can always sell and buy something else without much if any loss. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 29, 2022 Share #54 Posted October 29, 2022 12 hours ago, M11 for me said: I never experienced a situation for a REAL photo where I could not focus with the rangefinder. I have. Innumerable times. ALL focus systems have their drawbacks, even rangefinders. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max EPR Posted October 30, 2022 Share #55 Posted October 30, 2022 Great subject. My kit is 28, 50, 75. I tried a 35, but prefer the 28 or 50 for a kit. When I travel (light), I take the 28 & 50. It's all subjective. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 30, 2022 Share #56 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) On 10/27/2022 at 2:02 PM, a.noctilux said: Please show us this rare 25mm Elmar. Summarit that I use(1.5/50) is hardly "light", Summarit-M (2.4/2.5/50) can be light though. I do agree for Summarit-M. 24mm oh well.. f3.8 ..25 mm is common so i got used to that number. yep 2.5f 50mm I own. Pretty good and light (better than Cron IV ergonomic wise). Im glad for the new "old" summliux preasph which is light as well. I own old canadian preasph. Quite a tiny lens. I think 24 n 50 is a great combo. You choose one of them as it is very clear re Focal length for photography. Alternatively, just a 35mm for everything. Sometimes less is more. Edited October 30, 2022 by tomasis7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted October 30, 2022 Share #57 Posted October 30, 2022 18, 35 and 70. The widest focal length I can manage with the rangefinder is 35mm, and LPC helps tame the 18mm. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 30, 2022 Share #58 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) If size and weight matter I'd have a look at those LTM lenses. As example, Summaron 3.5/3.5cm 144g (158g with 39 to M adaptor), 3.5/5cm 113g, Canon 3.5/28mm 117g, 2/35mm 121g (I have one lighter V1 only 107g), etc. ... Even in native M mount, we can add 90mm thin Tele-Elmarit a bit more than 200g or collapsible Macro-Elmar-M 90mm. Edited October 30, 2022 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyesHaveIt Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share #59 Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, SrMi said: 18, 35 and 70. The widest focal length I can manage with the rangefinder is 35mm, and LPC helps tame the 18mm. What 18 are you using? I do like the wide angle view so was thinking of the 21 SEM or CV 21 and/or the CV 15. I like that it is clear when you want to use that vs the 35. I think same would apply to 70/75/90 on the long end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted October 31, 2022 Share #60 Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, TheEyesHaveIt said: What 18 are you using? I do like the wide angle view so was thinking of the 21 SEM or CV 21 and/or the CV 15. I like that it is clear when you want to use that vs the 35. I think same would apply to 70/75/90 on the long end. I have and love the 21 SEM but recently received the 18 SEM in a trade and am falling in love with it. It is a bit chunkier than the 21 SEM but they are both excellent performers and I think I will keep both… so far I am pairing the 18 with a 28 (Ultron II or Q2), and the 21 with a 35 (ZM Distagon for performance and speed, or LLL f2 for size). I would love to be able to boil my M kit down to 3 lenses but I love mixing and matching looks and ranges depending on what I am shooting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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