M11, M10M or (SL2-S) - As a souvenir

[Tylerman]

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7 minutes ago, jakontil said:

M10-D and the black paint m10r was in a limited run of production, so i thought it was something for a keeper than just a camera you want to use

a M film camera will probably last even longer 

I didn't know, thanks for the answer... No doubt for the film one 

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[frame-it]

you have a Q2 already, so why not get a special edition M6 or MP film camera?

 

partial list of m6 Sp-ed's

• Leica M6 150 Jahre Photographie - 1989 - 75 Jahre Leica Photographie: 1250 cameras
• Leica M6 Colombo '92 (1492 - 1992: 500° Scoperta dell'America - Italia): 200 cameras
• Leica M6 Royal-Foto Austria (1968 - 1993): 101 cameras
• Leica M6J 40 Jahre Leica M (1954 - 1994): 1640 cameras
• Leica M6 Dragon (gold plated): 300 cameras
• Leica M6 Historica (1975 - 1995): 150 cameras
• Leica M6 Royal Wedding: 200 cameras
• Leica M6 Thai Jubilee (50th year of the reign of His Majesty King Bhumiphol Adulyadej): 700 cameras
• Leica M6 Anton Bruckner (1824 - 1896): 200 cameras
• Leica M6 Brunei: 200 platinum plated cameras (125 platinum plated with diamonds) and 350 gold plated cameras
• Leica M6 Partners: 500 cameras
• Leica M6 Leica Demo Ausrüstung Benelux '96: 70 cameras
• Leica M6 Ein Stück Leica: 996 cameras
• Leica M6 Jaguar XK (1948 - 1998): 50 cameras
• Leica M6 Millennium: only 2000 cameras (300 with 0.85× viewfinder and green leatherette)
• Leica M6 Dragon (viewfinder 0.85x, black painted): 500 cameras
• Leica M6 ICS: 200 cameras
• Leica M6 LHSA (Leica Historical Society of America): 101 cameras
• Leica M6 Øresundsbron: 150 cameras
• Leica M6 Henri Cartier-Bresson (with Vuitton case): only 1 camera
• Leica M6 William Klein: only 1 camera
• Leica M6 Swiss Demo (Test the best): 40 cameras
• Leica M6 Zurich Photographic Center: 100 cameras
• Leica M6 Royal Photographic Society: 100 cameras
• Leica M6 Platinum Optics: 150 cameras
• Leica M6 Schmidt Centenary: 151 cameras
• Leica M6 Canada: 270 cameras
• Leica M6 Year of Rooster: 300 cameras
• Leica M6 999: 999 cameras
• Leica M6 Titanium: circa 6000 and 1000 in TTL-version

Edited September 12, 2022 by frame-it

[charlesphoto99]

My vote for an M10-R black paint version as well (esp as I own one). IMO it's all one needs, and is the most beautiful digital M made. The M11 is a transitional camera (much like the 240 was) and in three years time everyone's going to be bleating on about how amazing and mature the M12 is compared to the 'compromised' M11 and a whole bunch of used M11's will hit the market because people have more money than sense. Mark my words. 

[Photoworks]

4 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

My vote for an M10-R black paint version

so a camera to look at and not to use so much! LOL

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56 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

so a camera to look at and not to use so much! LOL

+1. My heirs will use my gear hopefully.

[intermediatic]

M11 or M10M. I have an SL2 and it's headed to eBay soon, wouldn't even think about an SL-2S. You'd be better off with a GFX100S than the SL-2 series in my book. 

The M11 and M10M are phenomenal cameras. I'd probably skip the M10M at this point since an M11M with massively extended battery life that also eliminates the base plate is likely to be coming out within a year. Prints are getting bigger and bigger these days, just take a look at the International Center of Photography or any recent photography exhibit. You don't want to sell yourself short (if you want to shoot for social media, the new iPhone just came out). Plus there is pixel binning for when you don't need the added size. For the first time, I don't know under what circumstances I would upgrade my M. Maybe massively increased dynamic range, although this is already pretty good. 

Don't get trapped by the "limited runs." If you are a photographer, this is a tool, a treasured tool you might keep for years, perhaps, but a tool not a fashion item. If it's the latter, well, it's teh latter.  

[charlesphoto99]

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5 hours ago, Photoworks said:

so a camera to look at and not to use so much! LOL

Not sure what your point is. Mine's got almost 24,000 pics on it in ten months of use. And no Italian half cases, boutique straps, or man bags come anywhere near it. It's been zip lining for chrissakes. What's sitting in the drawer? That used 020 EVF I bought on a whim - to me EVF is just nasty, no matter how good they say they make it, so... The M11 doesn't do anything for me. I would rather Leica make an M10 with no live view or other bits and bobs and yet a huge cpu and finally come up with an instant start up time.

Cameras can end up sitting on shelves for many reasons, usually due to buying on a whim and not being true to oneself (I have a mint CL I need to sell sitting here for that very reason) just to satisfy some empty hole a piece of gear will never do. It's why one sees so many mint Leica bodies on the used market vs users. Once it gets to that state, it is like family and hard to let go, esp compared to what was originally paid for it. I've got a new sensor, brassed up M9 like that. I bought an M10M last year from a local gentleman who had never opened the box after purchasing it! I usually do that out in the parking lot, if not in the store! So I did at a Starbucks, opening the jewelry box for the first time. It was a great deal at $7K. So, seriously, at this point, unless the M12/13/14/etc is some evolutionary step ahead and right for my work, it's M10R and M10M for a very long time for me.  

[charlesphoto99]

5 hours ago, intermediatic said:

Prints are getting bigger and bigger these days, just take a look at the International Center of Photography or any recent photography exhibit. You don't want to sell yourself short (if you want to shoot for social media, the new iPhone just came out).

Meh. Not something to be too concerned about imo. I've had wall size murals/prints done from film shot on Tri-X and TMAX 3200, grain the size of marbles. It's about the image ultimately, and with resizing software getting so much better size is less and less of a concern (computing power to move all those megapixels around is something else). You'd be surprised at how many  large prints you see were made with merely mortal, but good nonetheless, cameras. Depends on what you want to do, but not every photographer needs/wants to be a Gursky. You can even shoot with a phone and then blow up for effect. Understanding light and post are the key elements. 

[eyeheartny]

18 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Cameras can end up sitting on shelves for many reasons, usually due to buying on a whim and not being true to oneself (I have a mint CL I need to sell sitting here for that very reason) just to satisfy some empty hole a piece of gear will never do. It's why one sees so many mint Leica bodies on the used market vs users. Once it gets to that state, it is like family and hard to let go, esp compared to what was originally paid for it. I've got a new sensor, brassed up M9 like that. I bought an M10M last year from a local gentleman who had never opened the box after purchasing it! I usually do that out in the parking lot, if not in the store! So I did at a Starbucks, opening the jewelry box for the first time. It was a great deal at $7K. So, seriously, at this point, unless the M12/13/14/etc is some evolutionary step ahead and right for my work, it's M10R and M10M for a very long time for me.  

For someone like the original poster who has not yet bought into the M system, an M11 is the logical choice for buying something now. The M10 series is older and the price differences, especially when bought carefully from global retailers, is not that big between the 10 and 11 series. I understand if you've already been an M owner, but if you haven't, it isn't great advice to tell someone to get a much older digital M when they can have the newest model with some very substantial benefits for a few hundred dollars more if they shop carefully. 

[charlesphoto99]

23 minutes ago, eyeheartny said:

For someone like the original poster who has not yet bought into the M system, an M11 is the logical choice for buying something now. The M10 series is older and the price differences, especially when bought carefully from global retailers, is not that big between the 10 and 11 series. I understand if you've already been an M owner, but if you haven't, it isn't great advice to tell someone to get a much older digital M when they can have the newest model with some very substantial benefits for a few hundred dollars more if they shop carefully. 

I disagree (to a point). I've seen too many 'buy into' rangefinders and then not like it. Which is why a used M10 might be a better bet for many to get used to rangefinder shooting. Spending the $ on lenses is always a better bet in the beginning as it is. No matter how big the sensor is, one cannot replicate the experience of a 28,50, and 90 with just one lens. And the 94,000 pics I took with a plain ol' M10? Just as good now as they were then. But hey, Leica's are a luxury hobby for most, so yeah, why not an 11? 

[hdmesa]

On 9/10/2022 at 7:28 AM, Tylerman said:

Hello guys,

I’m looking for a feedback / advice from you guys. Sadly my dad passed away sometime ago and he gave me some money.

I really enjoyed Photography as you should know if I’m here 🙂 and I already own a Q2. I was looking for awhile for an upgrade… a friend of it 😀

When my father was younger, he loved the photography aspect but he was not able to kept the pace following the cost of using films stuff and so on.

To make it short, I’m looking to invest in a body that I will use and keep on his memory. People à maybe thinking I’m silly but, I’m thinking that he will be with me all the time when I’ll take family, vacations pictures, when I’m doing my passion

Following this, I was thinking about the M11 but that will be my first M body and all those alignement and so on stories make me nervous and this is why the SL2-S (with M lenses) came on the table. I’m not really use of the OVF either and I really love the Q2 EVF. I spoke about this with my friend and he brought the idea of getting a M10-Mono instead as a iconic camera… but I’m debating myself around this 

So, if you have any inputs, ideas, thoughts, feel free to share with me I will appreciate it for sure.

Thanks !

note : I’m using Q2 95% in manual and I love the EVF 

 

Based on what you prefer to use, I would recommend an SL2-S as the base platform and then get a special M lens in memory of. Digital bodies wither too quickly in the grand scene of things, but M lenses can be used indefinitely with the proper care and maintenance. Since you have a 28 on your Q2, consider a vintage or special edition 35 or 50. The current reissue 50 Noct 1.2 comes to mind as does the 50 Lux Black Chrome.

[augustwest100]

I would recommend either one of the film M bodies or if not, then the M10M or M10R black paint. You would love any of the M bodies to compliment the Q2.

You might consider instead buying your favorite M lens to honor his memory and then you can use it on whatever M body you have at the time. 

I think the film bodies are timeless while the digital bodies keep getting improvements. Lens will go on any M body even those that haven’t been invented yet!

[grahamc]

Sorry for your loss Tyler.

There is some great recommendations here in terms of the bodies.  I might encourage you to leave some $ in the tank to buy a special lens once you establish which focal length is your favourite on your M.  As others have mentioned, while the 10M, 10R, 11 will last some good years , they won't last a lifetime in terms of actual use, but a lens will.

 

[Tylerman]

Hello all,

First, thanks for all the words regarding my father, this is well appreciated.

Second, following all the comments and the answers. I've stopped myself with the M11 Lux 35mm (I liked the X100V when I had it)

I had a look on the M10 various model but I didn't want to get a used one as a memory items. I understood that the M11 won't last for 50 years but, it will take great pictures where ever I'll go will the family ... day to day things, day or vacation trips. 

One thing thus, going through my father death, I understood that I'm not printing enough pictures as memory for my family and trips, this is something I need to fix

Again, thanks all for your help and I'm sure we will discuss each other soon. ... I should get it in the next 2-4 weeks following what the store told me  ... 

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, Tylerman said:

One thing thus, going through my father death, I understood that I'm not printing enough pictures as memory for my family and trips, this is something I need to fix

 

And for the eventual benefit of those after you.  I asked for a family photo album (with written notes) for my 40th birthday, and it’s the first item I’d try to retrieve in the event of a house fire, now 32 years later.

Jeff

[didier]

I’d go for something that lasts, either a film M (MP for the built-in meter) or a M10M which gives amazing results and that you can use just as any film M (with more convenience, particularly the convenience of a huge ISO flexibility ; put a protector on the screen you don’t really need, auto-iso mode, and shoot as if you had always the right film with the right iso in it, with the same physical experience).

I don’t see (personally, for my use) any need to improve upon the M10M.. as long as shooting B&W is ok for you.

DIdier 

[rtai]

I had a chance to buy the M6 Royal Danish Wedding special edition for a good price but there was no lens so I guess an incomplete set didn’t appeal to collectors. Anyway reading up on the Danish royal family I learned the couple had already divorced so not much of a commemorative and I didn’t buy it.

[Photoworks]

47 minutes ago, didier said:

I’d go for something that lasts, either a film M (MP for the built-in meter) or a M10M which gives amazing results and that you can use just as any film M (with more convenience, particularly the convenience of a huge ISO flexibility ; put a protector on the screen you don’t really need, auto-iso mode, and shoot as if you had always the right film with the right iso in it, with the same physical experience).

I don’t see (personally, for my use) any need to improve upon the M10M.. as long as shooting B&W is ok for you.

DIdier 

Why nobody talks about firm in convenience ?  Why would suggest something you may want to something that make sense?

so a roll plus processing and may be scanning $30-50
that would make 10 rolls or ( 360 shots) -  $300-500 

2nd film convenient is that you can pick color or BW, 100 or 400 ISO. I remember the days on trying to cut a film process 1/2 normal and the 2nd 1/2 pushed because night came around and asa 400 was not enough. LOL

the M10M is a great camera and I have used it many time next to the M11.

well considering shooting side by side with 1.4 lenses the M10M most likely will ND filters to shoot during the day. ISO 160 and fast shutter speed of 1/4000 is not always enough .
Plus the M10M is always problematic in highlights been burned out, so you want to underexpose even more to preserve tonal range.

At this point the M11 makes so much sense. Base ISO 64, electronic shutter when needed, great color and bw, better evf and light meter, one battery all day, internal memory...
For someone that starts with new M it is a no brainer.

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[Herr Barnack]

@Tylerman, In your situation, here is what I would do:

1:  Keep your Q2.  It is an outstanding camera for color.

2:  If you enjoy black and white photography, get an M10 Monochrom with either a 35 Summicron or 28 Summicron lens.

3:  If you want to explore the world of film photography, consider either an MP or an MA, again with either a 35 Summicron or 28 Summicron lens.

4:  Get #2 above, and add a Kiev 4A with a Jupiter 8M 50mm f/2 lens (below) from ebay (I have one on the way - the price was $135 for the camera and lens, shipping was extra).  Then you will have the Q2 for color digital, the M10M for B&W digital and the Kiev 4A for experimenting with film.

 

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[grahamc]

On 9/18/2022 at 10:08 PM, Tylerman said:

Hello all,

First, thanks for all the words regarding my father, this is well appreciated.

Second, following all the comments and the answers. I've stopped myself with the M11 Lux 35mm (I liked the X100V when I had it)

I had a look on the M10 various model but I didn't want to get a used one as a memory items. I understood that the M11 won't last for 50 years but, it will take great pictures where ever I'll go will the family ... day to day things, day or vacation trips. 

One thing thus, going through my father death, I understood that I'm not printing enough pictures as memory for my family and trips, this is something I need to fix

Again, thanks all for your help and I'm sure we will discuss each other soon. ... I should get it in the next 2-4 weeks following what the store told me  ... 

thanks for the update 😁 great choice enjoy it