hdmesa Posted June 28, 2022 Share #21 Posted June 28, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: Please report to Leica, thank you! "Please make the M11 JPEGs not suck so bad." 😂 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 Hi hdmesa, Take a look here JPG files from camera. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
hmzimelka Posted June 28, 2022 Share #22 Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Please report to Leica, thank you! Today I wrote to Leica to report the M11 profile's poor behaviour with yellows colours that are near clipping with Adobe LR or ACR. They told me it was adobe problem because the DNG file I sent them looked ok in Capture One. I have no issues with Adobe profiles. Only with M11. It's not always easy to get through to Leica. This JPG engine is probably "operating as intended" but I'll give them a mail about it... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 28, 2022 by hmzimelka Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333874-jpg-files-from-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4461436'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 28, 2022 Share #23 Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, hmzimelka said: Today I wrote to Leica to report the M11 profile's poor behaviour with yellow channel in Adobe LR or ACR. They told me it was adobe problem because the DNG file I sent them looked ok in Capture One. I have no issues with Adobe profiles. Only with M11. It's not always easy to get through to Leica. This JPG engine is probably "operating as intended" but I'll give them a mail about it... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, sometimes it takes more effort to communicate the real problem, but that may be the only way to fix things. It may also help if more people report the same issue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilu Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted July 2, 2022 Allego qui un file JPG senza alcuna elaborazione. Ho impostato tutti i valori su -2 (nitidezza, contrasto) e la riduzione del rumore su -1. Ti sembra normale? Sto sbagliando qualcosa o i JPG M11 fanno schifo? Sembrano usciti da un cartone animato! Dammi la tua opinione per favore... 😞 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333874-jpg-files-from-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4463662'>More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted July 2, 2022 Share #25 Posted July 2, 2022 these files lack contrast which would make sense since you have a -2 contrast setting. - 2 contrast is good if you plan to do a little post processing because it retains more of the captured data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 2, 2022 Share #26 Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, pilu said: Allego qui un file JPG senza alcuna elaborazione. Ho impostato tutti i valori su -2 (nitidezza, contrasto) e la riduzione del rumore su -1. Ti sembra normale? Sto sbagliando qualcosa o i JPG M11 fanno schifo? Sembrano usciti da un cartone animato! Dammi la tua opinione per favore... 😞 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leave sharpness and noise reduction at default 0. Only set contrast to -2. B&W High Contrast film style works best with the -2 Contrast. If you use a very old, low contrast lens, you may want to shoot the B&W High Contrast setting at its defaults and not reduce contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilu Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share #27 Posted July 2, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you hdmesa, I used the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron I for this shot. I will do as you say. I've never had this much trouble with JPGs with any Leica M series!!! 😭 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 2, 2022 Share #28 Posted July 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, pilu said: Thank you hdmesa, I used the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron I for this shot. I will do as you say. I've never had this much trouble with JPGs with any Leica M series!!! 😭 Using a Leica lens like the Summicron 28/2 could help perhaps as the Ultron 28/2 is somewhat more contrasty. Now i'm not sure if you're after less or more contrast as my Italian is bad sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilu Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share #29 Posted July 2, 2022 No Ict, I'm looking for something more natural, less artificial and fake. That's all. With the M9, M240, M10, JPGs have never given me these problems! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2022 Share #30 Posted July 2, 2022 I cannot understand all this excitement. JPG files are rather irrelevant anyway. If you want really good ones, use an iPhone. Those JPGs are unbeatable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilu Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share #31 Posted July 2, 2022 Thanks but I don't seem to have asked for the Moon and your answer doesn't seem very intelligent. I use JPGs on camera very often because they are lighter and I don't have to process them to send them quickly. If I have to buy an iPhone for JPGs, maybe I'll sell the M11. Thanks again for the help 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 2, 2022 Share #32 Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, pilu said: No Ict, I'm looking for something more natural, less artificial and fake. That's all. With the M9, M240, M10, JPGs have never given me these problems! This is too subjective for me to help you sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenverSteve Posted November 12, 2022 Share #33 Posted November 12, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 11:53 AM, SrMi said: I do not shoot JPG and have no experience with OP's issue. Can anyone post comparisons with JPGs from M11 and other digital Ms that show the alleged "digital" and "plastic" characteristics? P.S.: I am not saying that OP is wrong or that he must prove his characterization of M11's JPG. The comparison would be solely for my education. I would but....... I've never experienced anything remotely similar to those descriptions. My JPEGs are marvelous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geotrupede Posted November 15, 2022 Share #34 Posted November 15, 2022 I concur, JPG and unmodified conversions are quite unremarkable. But from the raws, one can get whatever desires, it took me a while but I am now super happy with the system. and I am very picky. if of any help here are my capture one profiles, feel free to play with these if you like them. colour has a blue cast and bw rich of contrast. subjective. g. M11 colour.costyleM11 BW.costyleM11 BW day-sunny.costyle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2022 Share #35 Posted November 15, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 7:07 PM, pilu said: your answer doesn't seem very intelligent. Wow how to make friends and influence people. If you want help don’t insult the people trying to help you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2022 Share #36 Posted November 15, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 3:45 PM, hmzimelka said: Today I wrote to Leica to report the M11 profile's poor behaviour with yellows colours that are near clipping with Adobe LR or ACR. They told me it was adobe problem because the DNG file I sent them looked ok in Capture One. Have you tried the FREE 30-day trial of Capture One to see if what Leica says is true and maybe it is a problem with Adobe’s jpg processing? Adobe had a lot of problems in the early days of Fujifilm’s X cameras. They eventually got it right, but not for quite a while, whereas Capture One sorted it pretty quickly. Don’t forget the M11 has a new sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmzimelka Posted November 16, 2022 Share #37 Posted November 16, 2022 4 hours ago, OThomas said: Have you tried the FREE 30-day trial of Capture One to see if what Leica says is true and maybe it is a problem with Adobe’s jpg processing? Adobe had a lot of problems in the early days of Fujifilm’s X cameras. They eventually got it right, but not for quite a while, whereas Capture One sorted it pretty quickly. Don’t forget the M11 has a new sensor. It's Adobe ACR that renders the file like this since the instruction set for the embedded colour profile is embedded in the DNG file. It's not the camera, nor the Adobe program that is at fault. Leica have created a brutally simple (perhaps insufficient) DCP colour profile that lacks even basic forward matrixes. The Adobe Standard profile is a long and complex profile by comparison, and Capture One will also likely apply its version of a colour profile for its conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted November 16, 2022 Share #38 Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/25/2022 at 9:42 PM, pilu said: I've been shooting only in JPG and I haven't liked the files at all. Perhaps this is a topic that has already been covered on the forum Yes it has. I was reading one about black and white being pretty bad too. It ended in a big fight 😅 Edited November 16, 2022 by Chimichurri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilu Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted November 16, 2022 Dear Thomas, I have not insulted anyone. If I say that the jpegs of the M11 do not satisfy me, but that I use them for my work and that I paid 8900 euros for the M11, I was simply trying to understand why this happens in a professional and expensive machine. For you an appropriate answer "I can't understand all this fuss. JPG files are pretty irrelevant anyway. If you want really good ones, use an iPhone. Those JPGs are unbeatable' (??) To get satisfactory Jpegs, I have to buy an iPhone? Does that sound like an adequate answer? For the work I do, Jpegs are very useful and not irrelevant. Does it seem to you that I have insulted anyone? Instead, it seems to me that you often give answers to questions that serve no purpose. And then there are too many people who are easily offended. Next time re-read both the question and the answer carefully, best regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimichurri Posted November 16, 2022 Share #40 Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, pilu said: Dear Thomas, I have not insulted anyone. If I say that the jpegs of the M11 do not satisfy me, but that I use them for my work and that I paid 8900 euros for the M11, I was simply trying to understand why this happens in a professional and expensive machine. For you an appropriate answer "I can't understand all this fuss. JPG files are pretty irrelevant anyway. If you want really good ones, use an iPhone. Those JPGs are unbeatable' (??) To get satisfactory Jpegs, I have to buy an iPhone? Does that sound like an adequate answer? For the work I do, Jpegs are very useful and not irrelevant. Does it seem to you that I have insulted anyone? Instead, it seems to me that you often give answers to questions that serve no purpose. And then there are too many people who are easily offended. Next time re-read both the question and the answer carefully, best regards. 4 hours ago, Chimichurri said: It ended in a big fight 😅 … 🤣 These threads never end well. Always entertaining though let’s sit back and enjoy this show Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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