wizard Posted March 9, 2022 Share #21  Posted March 9, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 30 Minuten schrieb BenG: ... his price for a CLA is so low that there is no way he is doing any extensive work on any cameras ... Well then, but why did you send him your camera for a CLA in the first place, if you already knew there is no way he is doing the kind of work you would appreciate? And, further, why are you disappointed by what he did (or not did, to be more precise)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TomB_tx Posted March 9, 2022 Share #22  Posted March 9, 2022 The exact meaning of "CLA" is poorly defined, and rightly may not be the same in all cases, as a technician should evaluate each camera for what is needed. Many years ago I sent a lowly Pentax H1a for CLA to a respected tech, and after a while asked how it was going. He sent a photo of the camera completely disassembled a spread out on his workbench. It came back in like-new condition. Other times he would respond that a camera didn't really need much. Another time I sent my M4 to a highly recommended Leica tech for service. It came back operating well, but the RF vertical alignment was off. After a couple trips back it was still off, but the response was "within factory spec." I finally sent it to DAG, who noted he had to disassemble because an initial adjustment made when assembling was off, so the normal RF adjustment didn't have the range to correct it. The more you disassemble and work on, the more chances to mess up something that was fine to begin with. Sometimes it's better to do only the work needed. I've had Youxin repair cameras that were really messed up, missing parts, etc. - and he has done very good work, especially on some obscure "Leica clones" that he's willing to work on. I don't know what his process may be on cameras that don't need so much work to be made operable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambro51 Posted March 9, 2022 Share #23  Posted March 9, 2022 If I were a trained watchmaker,  I’d certainly have a go at the IIIb CLA myself.     1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted March 9, 2022 Share #24  Posted March 9, 2022 Either do it yourself (you seem more than capable), or send it to Don (DAG, Leica factory trained - really!) and have it done "right". While I never have had a serious problem with Youxin, I've never sent him anything that was really challenging either. New beam splitter in my II, new viewfinder glass in my M2. A few lenses to clean out haze. All done well and functioning perfectly. I would always choose DAG for anything major, knowing full well that he will take 6-9 months to complete it, charge way more, and also that it will be done correctly. Much like choosing the right tool for the job, choose the right tech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 9, 2022 Share #25 Â Posted March 9, 2022 Why we are getting kickback against the OP, there are links in this thread that going way back refer to similar problems, and just because you can fix a watch it doesn't mean you should be expected to learn another skill set to fix a Leica. After all what we are paying for with a CLA if not the experience of the repairer? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 9, 2022 Share #26 Â Posted March 9, 2022 I'd never use Mr Ye because I live in the UK, but IMHO the measure of any business is not if stuff goes wrong (nobody is perfect all the time, shxt happens and all that) but it's the reaction/willingness to put things right when they do go wrong. If Mr Ye has just shrugged this off as 'the best he can do' then that's shockingly bad service and attitude. Those of you rallying in his support must think it's fine though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted March 15, 2022 Share #27  Posted March 15, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mr. Ye’s response to the OP is unconscionable. But it does not take away that I and others have had a good experience with him. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted April 8, 2022 Share #28  Posted April 8, 2022 Dam, that sounds like a horrible experience. Usually for me, if it's not a super big job where specific skills and/or knowledge is required, I'd rather do it myself and get it done to "my standards". The process of my iiig CLA.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/330516-leica-iiib-cla-by-youxin-ye/?do=findComment&comment=4414797'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 8, 2022 Share #29  Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, 69xchange said: Dam, that sounds like a horrible experience. Usually for me, if it's not a super big job where specific skills and/or knowledge is required, I'd rather do it myself and get it done to "my standards". The process of my iiig CLA.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That bit's easy. It's the next step I have trouble with. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted April 8, 2022 Share #30 Â Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: That bit's easy. It's the next step I have trouble with. The shutter curtains and rollers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted April 8, 2022 Share #31  Posted April 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, 69xchange said: The shutter curtains and rollers? Probably the reassembly part …..  2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 8, 2022 Share #32 Â Posted April 8, 2022 No the difficult part is finding the screw that fell onto the carpet, they can really bounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted April 8, 2022 Share #33  Posted April 8, 2022 vor 21 Minuten schrieb 250swb: No the difficult part is finding the screw that fell onto the carpet, they can really bounce. Sometimes less is more 😉. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimofnyc Posted April 8, 2022 Share #34  Posted April 8, 2022 I've used Youxin Ye to CLA my IIIf a few years back. The camera came back like a Swiss watch. No excessive lube oozing anywhere. Perhaps the original condition of the camera has something to do with this. The pictures show a dusty or moldy camera with some evidence of lubrication. I guess a CLA is not the same as a complete restoration... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 8, 2022 Share #35  Posted April 8, 2022 5 hours ago, jimofnyc said: The pictures show a dusty or moldy camera with some evidence of lubrication. I guess a CLA is not the same as a complete restoration... I guess you missed out on understanding the first word in CLA, clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted April 9, 2022 Share #36 Â Posted April 9, 2022 11 hours ago, jimofnyc said: I guess a CLA is not the same as a complete restoration... Â 6 hours ago, 250swb said: first word in CLA, clean These are actually interesting terms - CLA vs overhaul vs restoration. Â A couple of years ago I bought an M2 Motor camera from the Leica Shop in San Francisco. Â (Leica considered the M2 to be excellent.) Â I bought a motor from E-bay. Â They wouldn't even mount together. Â So I sent them to Don Goldberg. Â He described the M2 as needing a 3/4 overhaul and the motor as needing a CLA. Â Since he didn't list any new parts on the invoice, I remain fuzzy on what the difference is between a CLA and an overhaul, except perhaps for the amount of disassembly / reassembly and thus the final price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted April 9, 2022 Share #37  Posted April 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, zeitz said:  These are actually interesting terms - CLA vs overhaul vs restoration.  A couple of years ago I bought an M2 Motor camera from the Leica Shop in San Francisco.  (Leica considered the M2 to be excellent.)  I bought a motor from E-bay.  They wouldn't even mount together.  So I sent them to Don Goldberg.  He described the M2 as needing a 3/4 overhaul and the motor as needing a CLA.  Since he didn't list any new parts on the invoice, I remain fuzzy on what the difference is between a CLA and an overhaul, except perhaps for the amount of disassembly / reassembly and thus the final price. For reference, I had a Kanto Camera overhaul on my BP M4. It compromised a complete disassembly of all moving parts, new shutter curtains, replacement frame line mask, and of course reassembly and adjustment of all tolerances to specification. It was around AUD $1,000 four years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroplait Posted April 9, 2022 Share #38 Â Posted April 9, 2022 When I had a couple of M's done a Sherry Krauter some years ago, she talked of her service as "overhauls". She just charged her standard price at the time (which was the price she quote when you inquired by mail without her having seen the camera). At the same time in Tokyo, when I needed to have grime cleaned out of the viewfinder of my M6, Leica Ginza offered a "CLA" for 100,000 yen! (around 900 USD at the time) - that was 3 times the price of Sherry's services. I passed on the CLA and opted for the finder clean-up. I certainly hope the Leica's "CLA" would have been more thorough than Sherry's "overhaul" considering the steep price difference. In reality I think the words means very little across repair techs. One should really inquirer what the specific service entails before committing to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted April 9, 2022 Share #39 Â Posted April 9, 2022 Clean - I think most of us understands what 'to clean' means. If you clean your car, for example, you don't take the engine out or strip the paint. Lube - apply oil/grease where necessary Adjust - adjustment of the rangefinder and shutter speeds I would suggest that an overhaul or anything else requires dismantling of the various parts and some replacements perhaps. More than just a 'CLA'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted April 9, 2022 Share #40 Â Posted April 9, 2022 Some technicians do offer more details of exactly what the service includes, e.g.: https://www.cameraworks-uk.com/services 'We offer rather more than the usual CLA (clean lubricate and adjust). Each camera is fully overhauled. The shutter mechanism, including the main drum and rollers are cleaned and correctly lubricated. The slow speed mechanism is cleaned and lubricated, after which the shutter blind tensions are checked and balanced. Shutter speeds are then adjusted using a Kyoritsu camera tester and set to factory standard. The film transport system is fully serviced too. We take the same approach to the viewfinder/rangefinder. We dismantle and clean the optics before reassembly and calibration at long and short ranges.' 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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