nicci78 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #321 Posted March 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) So what’s the TLDR of this 16 pages thread ? My Q2 required 1/125th or 1/250th for sharp moving subjects. But still subjects are ok at 1/30th or 1/15th So what’s the best settings for M11 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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harmen Posted March 31, 2022 Share #322 Posted March 31, 2022 1/15th assuming you print stamp size Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 31, 2022 Share #323 Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: So what’s the best settings for M11 ? To be certain of getting the 'best image quality' out of a 60MPixel 35mm camera treat it like a medium format film camera. Use a tripod🤔. Also select an appropriate (not diffraction limited) aperture. Use an older Leica M camera for genres such as street ..... 😉. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #324 Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, pgk said: To be certain of getting the 'best image quality' out of a 60MPixel 35mm camera treat it like a medium format film camera. Use a tripod🤔. Also select an appropriate (not diffraction limited) aperture. Use an older Leica M camera for genres such as street ..... 😉. Surely if I just set it to 18MP, it will behave like an older M (shooting at lower speed without blur) with the extra benefits of a new sensor for street right? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted March 31, 2022 Share #325 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, snooper said: One of mine, once again an easy one, full of light, APO 50 at f:2.0, ISO 1000 and 1/200th which is 4 x focal length. To me this image is not “sharp” on the eye, and it’s not normal that an image is being this blurry at 1/200th with a 50mm! I have a SL2 and never ever had a single “sharpness” issue with that one. M10M ? No problem either. Q2 ? Piece of cake. So I accept every critics in every way on my way to take pictures, I accept all scientific demos that sharpness does not exist and whatever square root of the pixel count multiplied by the distance to the moon gives you proper viewing distance, but at the end of the day my conclusion is that this camera is not for me, after 76 shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Maybe that rule of thumb that sensors over 50MP need IBIS, for whatever reason, is true after all. Edited March 31, 2022 by John Smith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 31, 2022 Share #326 Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, snooper said: One of mine, once again an easy one, full of light, APO 50 at f:2.0, ISO 1000 and 1/200th which is 4 x focal length. To me this image is not “sharp” on the eye, and it’s not normal that an image is being this blurry at 1/200th with a 50mm! I have a SL2 and never ever had a single “sharpness” issue with that one. M10M ? No problem either. Q2 ? Piece of cake. So I accept every critics in every way on my way to take pictures, I accept all scientific demos that sharpness does not exist and whatever square root of the pixel count multiplied by the distance to the moon gives you proper viewing distance, but at the end of the day my conclusion is that this camera is not for me, after 76 shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Incredible... With a soft lens it would be a good pic but with an apo lens??? And i read good people here suggesting to sharpen in PP??? Won't be the M11 anymore if things go on like that but the MBlur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #327 Posted March 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) As an onlooker with just a box of popcorn I have no position to defend. Simply as a scientific questioner, though, I would ask if @snooper's camera was exactly calibrated. I can't tell from the forum post whether the nose or the hair are better focused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 31, 2022 Share #328 Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Ktsa5239 said: Surely if I just set it to 18MP, it will behave like an older M (shooting at lower speed without blur) with the extra benefits of a new sensor for street right? I did state 'best image quality'. Try it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #329 Posted March 31, 2022 18 MP should be the same as 60 MP because M11 will tool first 60MP then downscaled it to 18MP. a blurry pixel is still blurry, even downscaled. No magic trick here. Three blurry pixels did not make a sharp one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted March 31, 2022 Share #330 Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, nicci78 said: So what’s the TLDR of this 16 pages thread ? My Q2 required 1/125th or 1/250th for sharp moving subjects. But still subjects are ok at 1/30th or 1/15th So what’s the best settings for M11 ? I use the same setting as you on my Q2. I also use them for my M11. In most cases, it’s fine. I get a higher proportion of blurred/non-sharp images using the M11 with these settings but almost always because I haven’t been paying attention and allowed my technique to become sloppy - repeat while paying attention and the shot is fine. The OIS on the Q2 helps a lot, but also makes my technique sloppy! I haven’t done a rigorous side-by-side comparison though so this is just my overall impression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 31, 2022 Share #331 Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: 18 MP should be the same as 60 MP because M11 will tool first 60MP then downscaled it to 18MP. a blurry pixel is still blurry, even downscaled. No magic trick here. Three blurry pixels did not make a sharp one What's a blurry pixel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted March 31, 2022 Share #332 Posted March 31, 2022 vor 5 Stunden schrieb Datsch: A dab of USM sharpening works wonders, though, even on your jpg ... click for better quality of course Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Is not just this picture the best example that you can indeed take "sharp" pictures with the M11. Even with a picture that you claim that it is blurry. I use Lightroom Classic and just adapt a bit here and there and the result will be perfect. I even pretend that there is much less to do in post with the M11 than with the former M10 (first model). The point is probably the profile you apply. Do not look at the OOC image. Create a profile that works. I belong to the group of M11 users that is entirely happy with the M11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 31, 2022 Share #333 Posted March 31, 2022 This isn’t about defending or bashing the M11, but understanding it … 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 31, 2022 Share #334 Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said: This isn’t about defending or bashing the M11, but understanding it … Indeed... Are we supposed to be "entirely happy" with a camera needing sharpening in PP really? First time it would happen to me since the 6MP (!) R-D1 in 2004, besides correcting soft lenses... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted March 31, 2022 Share #335 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Well, to me the question is rather if the face on the photograph above is sharp or not. In the example above the user Datsch applied some sharpening. The default value is evidently too low and there is no sight of over-sharpening. My question would now be if with some sharpening in post the result is perfect or not. Datsch made an attempt in the positive direction. Edited March 31, 2022 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 31, 2022 Share #336 Posted March 31, 2022 10 hours ago, nicci78 said: So what’s the TLDR of this 16 pages thread ? My Q2 required 1/125th or 1/250th for sharp moving subjects. But still subjects are ok at 1/30th or 1/15th So what’s the best settings for M11 ? Are you using OIS with Q2? Note that digital M-s do not have any lens or in-body stabilization. Q2's Auto-OIS setting turns OIS on if you shoot slower than 1/60sec. That means that Leica uses 1/(2f) rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted March 31, 2022 Share #337 Posted March 31, 2022 10 hours ago, nicci78 said: So what’s the best settings for M11 ? Whatever settings give you what you want for sharpness. There is no magic number. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #338 Posted March 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, SrMi said: Are you using OIS with Q2? Note that digital M-s do not have any lens or in-body stabilization. Q2's Auto-OIS setting turns OIS on if you shoot slower than 1/60sec. That means that Leica uses 1/(2f) rule. OIS set on Auto = active at 1/30th and slower. Disable at 1/60th and faster. If Q2 is set with OIS ON, its OIS can make blurry images at fast shutter speed. It is a flaw since original Q. Not corrected in Q2. Leica is well aware of it. Hence the auto setting in Q and Q2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 31, 2022 Share #339 Posted March 31, 2022 9 hours ago, pgk said: To be certain of getting the 'best image quality' out of a 60MPixel 35mm camera treat it like a medium format film camera. Use a tripod🤔. Also select an appropriate (not diffraction limited) aperture. Use an older Leica M camera for genres such as street ..... 😉. Why two cameras, especially with different batteries and ergonomics? M11 can do everything that an older digital M cameras can do, except for video. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #340 Posted March 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kwesi said: Whatever settings give you what you want for sharpness. There is no magic number. Of course there are. I noticed that every cameras and lens have a safe setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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