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I would LOVE very much to know I many clicks did my M10. Not because I'm curious, just because I need to know to rely on the camera. Shooting as an assignment/event with a camera that took 5k or 200k it's not the same. I have no idea; it could be a tentative number. But I want reality, as you can easily do it with other brands. 

I know in some M cameras, there is a way. But it looks that there is not for the M10. Then I found this article: https://petapixel.com/2022/02/15/how-to-check-your-cameras-shutter-actuation-count/

It mentions a few Leica M bodies, but not (maybe intentionally) the M10.

 

Did you try it?

 

Instructions here:

slightly more difficult and risky method for Leica owners who don’t use a Mac involves entering the secret service mode through a specific combination of button presses, just like with Olympus cameras. The secret button sequence is:

 
  1. Press Delete
  2. Press Up 2 times
  3. Press Down 4 times
  4. Press Left 3 times
  5. Press Right 3 times
  6. Press Info

This sequence should work on a number of popular M series cameras, including the M8, M9, M Monochrom, and more. A word of warning: there may be things in the service menu that can cause issues with your camera if you edit them without knowing what you are doing, so be sure to avoid going into anything other than the shutter count checking area.

Once the secret service menu is opened, choose the Debug Data option to view basic info about your camera. The shutter actuation count should be displayed with the label NumExposures.

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P.s. I can do it by myself, it should be easy. But what if.... That's why I put the red warning. Any experience with that? 

Any volunteers? 🤔

 

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@Al Brown

Of course, for the factory, service menu is a must have.

Not to be spreaded around secret.

Maybe after revealing how, the Leica Services would be flooded by " blocked " or malfunction cameras to repair or adjust.

Good thing that he didn't tell you how.

 

With liveview or not actuations ?

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39 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

There IS a service menu for the M10 for sure with the shutter actuations number, I have already posted a picture of it here from a M10-P camera, but it must be one of Wetzlar's best kept secrets. Here it is one more time. The guy who knows how to enter will not tell me.

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The Matrix code ... 

In the end, I don't need to know the secret, I just want to know how many.

When I will travel to Wetzlar in the future, I will ask for a screenshot like the one above, with my M10 info. Something like:

I give you the camera, I turn around, you do the magic, I turn around, I take a picture, Thank you, I leave.

Do they charge me before, or when I leave? 🤣 

 

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1 hour ago, serdor said:

Sorry, but in the Exif of the DNG file there is no number of shots taken ?

Sorry, again no, in DNG nothing to read the number, or it's coded ("secret again", I think).

for example on my M10

Image Unique ID {0xA420} = 00000000000000000000000000465292

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2 hours ago, Al Brown said:

When handing it over just simply ask them how many actuations your camera has, the information will be complementary and if you are lucky you will get a coupon for free coffee at Café Leitz next door.

Of course. Friendly ask is as it should has to be done. But I liked the idea of a guy, knowing the secret, and doing it in front of me in 2 second and half 🏆

Once I'm in Wetzlar, it has be a full CLA. When I would ask.

 

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If you are an Apple user, try this app: https://transienteye.com/software/

Its main function is downloading pictures from M10 to your Mac, but it also shows the image count of each image.

Not the shutter counts (which is higher if you use liveview), but the numer of image files created by the camera from its birth.

I tested the count with a new camera, its correct!

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4 minutes ago, Sandro_m said:

If you are an Apple user, try this app: https://transienteye.com/software/

Its main function is downloading pictures from M10 to your Mac, but it also shows the image count of each image.

Not the shutter counts (which is higher if you use liveview), but the numer of image files created by the camera from its birth.

I tested the count with a new camera, its correct!

Thank you for sharing, I'll definitely check it out.

 

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On 2/15/2022 at 9:44 PM, Dennis said:

 

I would LOVE very much to know I many clicks did my M10. Not because I'm curious, just because I need to know to rely on the camera. Shooting as an assignment/event with a camera that took 5k or 200k it's not the same. I have no idea; it could be a tentative number. But I want reality, as you can easily do it with other brands. 

I know in some M cameras, there is a way. But it looks that there is not for the M10. Then I found this article: https://petapixel.com/2022/02/15/how-to-check-your-cameras-shutter-actuation-count/

It mentions a few Leica M bodies, but not (maybe intentionally) the M10.

 

Did you try it?

 

Instructions here:

slightly more difficult and risky method for Leica owners who don’t use a Mac involves entering the secret service mode through a specific combination of button presses, just like with Olympus cameras. The secret button sequence is:

 
  1. Press Delete
  2. Press Up 2 times
  3. Press Down 4 times
  4. Press Left 3 times
  5. Press Right 3 times
  6. Press Info

This sequence should work on a number of popular M series cameras, including the M8, M9, M Monochrom, and more. A word of warning: there may be things in the service menu that can cause issues with your camera if you edit them without knowing what you are doing, so be sure to avoid going into anything other than the shutter count checking area.

Once the secret service menu is opened, choose the Debug Data option to view basic info about your camera. The shutter actuation count should be displayed with the label NumExposures.

.

P.s. I can do it by myself, it should be easy. But what if.... That's why I put the red warning. Any experience with that? 

Any volunteers? 🤔

 

If you only check the shutter actuations there is nothing to worry about.

I did that on the M9 to check the shutter count and the ccd ID and the camera didn't explode. 

 

 

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On 2/16/2022 at 8:53 PM, Sandro_m said:

If you are an Apple user, try this app: https://transienteye.com/software/

Its main function is downloading pictures from M10 to your Mac, but it also shows the image count of each image.

Not the shutter counts (which is higher if you use liveview), but the numer of image files created by the camera from its birth.

I tested the count with a new camera, its correct!

That is absolutely superb, thanks for sharing.

I just used that app and figured out how many images my pre-owned M10 had taken before I got it

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Re: https://transienteye.com/software/

I just checked on my M10:

-the software dowloaded from transienteye.com indicates 8197 images,

-the File No. shown by the camera is 8291 (L1008291). Therefore I assume that

  • the software is correct and that
  • the difference (of 94 shots) between the camera's file number and the software count may be attributed to the shutter openings when Live View was used.

I am still debating if I am going to try the other method indicated by Dennis which I understand coud be riskier.......I am just curious.

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If one puts all of their images into the same Lightroom catalog, then you can filter by attribute (camera model) and get a pretty rough idea of how many images have been taken (if the camera new to you of course). It won't give LV openings or shutter test shots, but those shouldn't be much in comparison to pics taken (I would hope). 

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Huge thanks for directing us to https://transienteye.com/software/.  Simple solution (I wish I thought of it before 😀).  Both the authors should get huge kudos for offering this free to the community and adding the v1.4 feature to show 'images captured by the camera over its lifetime'.  This one should be a sticky as I think most M10 owners would be interested in this.  

 

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Hi Guys,

Just downloaded this software to check the shutter count on my newly acquired (demo unit from a Leica store) M10P. This software works great, except for one problem.

The L1000xxx.DNG file # is only valid for photos taken after the Image Numbering in the Menu has been reset. If there was any chance your Image Numbering was reset BEFORE you received the camera, it will NOT show the true shutter count. You can see the reset image # towards the bottom in the photo attached. Otherwise this is great software. Al Brown is correct.

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On 4/8/2023 at 10:22 PM, Robert E said:

Hi Guys,

Just downloaded this software to check the shutter count on my newly acquired (demo unit from a Leica store) M10P. This software works great, except for one problem.

The L1000xxx.DNG file # is only valid for photos taken after the Image Numbering in the Menu has been reset. If there was any chance your Image Numbering was reset BEFORE you received the camera, it will NOT show the true shutter count. You can see the reset image # towards the bottom in the photo attached. Otherwise this is great software. Al Brown is correct.

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so you're saying that if you ran this software 'now' (ie as per your screen shot) it would claim your camera has taken 2 shots in its entire life?

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