yudafu2 Posted February 7, 2022 Share #1 Posted February 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am waiting for a silver M11, but I have a question for the lucky owners: What is the minimum shutter speed that you use to prevent camera shake? I heard you need 3 times the focal length to be sure. Is that true? A related question: is the minimum speed different when using different size DNGs? Say, does it require faster shutter when shooting 60mp while slower shutter at 18mp/36mp? Thanks in advance. George Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #2 Posted February 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, yudafu2 said: I am waiting for a silver M11, but I have a question for the lucky owners: What is the minimum shutter speed that you use to prevent camera shake? I heard you need 3 times the focal length to be sure. Is that true? A related question: is the minimum speed different when using different size DNGs? Say, does it require faster shutter when shooting 60mp while slower shutter at 18mp/36mp? Thanks in advance. George I am using 1/(2f) sec. The shutter speed limit depends on the photographer. If you resize the image in camera or in post, the shutter speed limit changes. You can use the ratio in linear number of pixels (9528 for L-DNG) to determine the difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted February 7, 2022 Share #3 Posted February 7, 2022 My experience is that to be really sure with 60mp and no ibis or tripod you need 1/4f but 1/3f is often good enough and even 1/2f if you’re not going to be producing the largest prints possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yudafu2 Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted February 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: I am using 1/(2f) sec. The shutter speed limit depends on the photographer. If you resize the image in camera or in post, the shutter speed limit changes. You can use the ratio in linear number of pixels (9528 for L-DNG) to determine the difference. Thanks. I usually use a minimum of 1/90s for a 50mm lens on the M10-M, and 1/45s or 1/60s on M240. I find the M9M can go as low as 1/15s or 1/30s. So does it mean that on the M11 at 60mp, it requires 1/125s for a 50mm lens? George Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #5 Posted February 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, yudafu2 said: Thanks. I usually use a minimum of 1/90s for a 50mm lens on the M10-M, and 1/45s or 1/60s on M240. I find the M9M can go as low as 1/15s or 1/30s. So does it mean that on the M11 at 60mp, it requires 1/125s for a 50mm lens? George If 1/90s is the slowest shutter that you can use with 50mm on M10-M, then (theoretically), you should be able to use 1/110s with M11 (x1.2, 9528/7864). I shoot at the same shutter speed limit with M10M and M11. The discussion above is when evaluating the image at 100%. When looking at the same sized output (e.g., print or web) without cropping, the shutter speed limit is independent of the sensor's resolution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flu Posted February 7, 2022 Share #6 Posted February 7, 2022 This is going to be different for everyone and completely depends on if you have shaky hands or rock steady hands. With a 50mm on the M11, I can still get sharp shots at 15th of a sec no issues. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted February 7, 2022 Share #7 Posted February 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or use an alternative method of shooting: shoot three images and there's a good chance one image will have less blur. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted February 7, 2022 Share #8 Posted February 7, 2022 Absolutely safe is 1/250s on auto ISO and nice summiluxes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #9 Posted February 7, 2022 Note that using unnecessarily fast shutter speed wastes light (exposure). However, it is still better to waste light than to have blurry images :). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsleica Posted February 7, 2022 Share #10 Posted February 7, 2022 250+ if you want sharp. For whatever lens.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #11 Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, tsleica said: 250+ if you want sharp. For whatever lens.. Too slow for the R-180, maybe too slow for M-135. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yudafu2 Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted February 8, 2022 17 hours ago, tsleica said: 250+ if you want sharp. For whatever lens.. How about 35mm lens, 28mm lens? Still 1/250s to get sharp images? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 8, 2022 Share #13 Posted February 8, 2022 I am mostly shooting a 35mm lens on the M11; I mostly shoot during daytime and set my auto ISO as following: I first started with 1/2f (so 1/60) as minimum setting, but soon realize this is too slow for most occasions unless I’m using it at night or indoors. I then moved to 1/4f (so 1/250) as minimum setting, but noticed there were a few blurry shots (maybe I moved too much in those..but still saw some so I have now moved to:) From this week onwards I will test 1/500 as the minimum setting, and this should avoid any blurry shots while being fast enough for most scenarios on street photography. It’s also the shutter speed I usually shoot with on film cameras, so I’m more used to it. In general, I think 1/4f is the safest bet, but if you are shooting at night and need all that extra light, I’m sure you can do 1/2f and be ok. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted February 8, 2022 Share #14 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: If 1/2f is 60, 1/4f should be 125??? Edited February 8, 2022 by Tortuga Wrong quote Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 8, 2022 Share #15 Posted February 8, 2022 If you are moving and the subject is moving you need 1/1000 or faster. I am using 1/ 4x into auto iso. sometimes I go slower intentionally and I can hold 1/15 no problem. if you are doing night landscape and need the 64iso DR, you can switch to Electronic shutter and 2 sec self timer and hold 1/8. just be aware of banding from some light sources in electronic shutter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted February 8, 2022 Share #16 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) On 2/7/2022 at 12:39 PM, Flu said: This is going to be different for everyone and completely depends on if you have shaky hands or rock steady hands. With a 50mm on the M11, I can still get sharp shots at 15th of a sec no issues. This is my experience as well, not perfect, but certainly more than acceptable. Things tighten up a little at higher shutter speeds, but with good technique, one can get quite good results well below 1/f. For auto iso, I'm shooting 1/f, 1/2f if I'm being cautious. To demonstrate, a test shot at close distance, 3 feet, with the 50mm lux, F5.6, ISO 3200 1/25", mechanical shutter. Focus point was on the vertical edge of the speaker at the height of the bass port. Only processing was to press auto and up the sharpness to 80 for emphasis. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 8, 2022 by Tailwagger 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329569-m11-safe-shutter-speed/?do=findComment&comment=4379475'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 9, 2022 Share #17 Posted February 9, 2022 There is reference in another thread to shutter shock. I’d be amazed if this was the case as Leica seems to have been on top of this issue, as opposed to other makers … Has anyone done any tripod tests? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 10, 2022 Share #18 Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said: There is reference in another thread to shutter shock. I’d be amazed if this was the case as Leica seems to have been on top of this issue, as opposed to other makers … Has anyone done any tripod tests? Yes, no shutter shock noticeable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 10, 2022 Share #19 Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes, no shutter shock noticeable. Thanks Srdjan, pretty much as I expected. There were discussions somewhere earlier about avoiding certain shutter speeds - I can't remember which camera, but I can't imagine Leica has failed to address this issue with such a high resolution sensor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted February 10, 2022 Share #20 Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said: There is reference in another thread to shutter shock. I’d be amazed if this was the case as Leica seems to have been on top of this issue, as opposed to other makers … Has anyone done any tripod tests? I just did a quick one out of anger over in that thread. There is a very slight difference between LV vs RF and Mechanical vs E-shutter pretty much right along the lines you'd expect. That said, it is at best an extra 10th of an angel dancing on the pin one way or the other. Edited February 10, 2022 by Tailwagger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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