M Journey Posted January 30, 2022 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leica Miami guys are doing their part two live stream on the m11. 8pm eastern time. Starting now. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M Journey Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share #2 Posted January 30, 2022 Here is the link to the recording on YouTube. Not as informative as their first video, probably because a lot of the questions they answered have also been answered on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 31, 2022 Share #3 Posted January 31, 2022 David and Josh say at 49:41 , a 60-megapixel L-DNG downsized to the exact resolution of a 36-megapixel M-DNG has superior dynamic range, detail, and noise. Does this match your observation? I did not notice that M-DNG looses much (any?) dynamic range and detail when compared to downsized L-DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 31, 2022 Share #4 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Without going back and watching it again, I recall them saying that they got the best results at 60 and saw zero reason to use 36 or below. Edited January 31, 2022 by dkmoore 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted January 31, 2022 Share #5 Posted January 31, 2022 They were quite clear about their being no image quality advantage of shooting M- or S-DNG, in their experience. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2022 Share #6 Posted January 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, erudolph said: They were quite clear about their being no image quality advantage of shooting M- or S-DNG, in their experience. They said Buffer was the only advantage...but also stated multiple times "with current fw" 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2022 Share #7 Posted January 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) also according to their tests the M11shutter lag is only 2ms slower than M10 in both RF w/ Mech Shutter and LV w/ Mech Shutter Total lag RF M10= 11ms vs M11=13ms Total lag LV M10= 18ms vs M1=20ms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 31, 2022 Share #8 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, erudolph said: They were quite clear about their being no image quality advantage of shooting M- or S-DNG, in their experience. that is my experience too from the last few days. I just keep it at 60MP before forgetting to switch it back next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 31, 2022 Share #9 Posted January 31, 2022 They were clear that 60MP is more malleable (noise, etc.). That makes sense. However, they clearly said that M-DNG is inferior in dynamic range and detail. That is opposite to what Jesko von O. said, or Sean Reid observed. I assume that they made a mistake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2022 Share #10 Posted January 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, SrMi said: They were clear that 60MP is more malleable (noise, etc.). That makes sense. However, they clearly said that M-DNG is inferior in dynamic range and detail. That is opposite to what Jesko von O. said, or Sean Reid observed. I assume that they made a mistake. watch the full video...they changed the tune a bit later and said they are exactly the same, no more dynamic range or detail and no less. They preferred the L-DNG because it had a lot more pixels 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 31, 2022 Share #11 Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, digitalfx said: watch the full video...they changed the tune a bit later and said they are exactly the same, no more dynamic range or detail and no less. They preferred the L-DNG because it had a lot more pixels Thank you for the clarification. The first wrong statement was very forceful, but obviously wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 31, 2022 Share #12 Posted January 31, 2022 Somehow, I caught this live-stream just as it was starting, and David and Josh did answer two of my questions. I had a third question, but didn't get to ask. In the photos they displayed, David showed a few "single shot HDR" images. Is this something new the M11 can do, that previous M cameras can not? How is it done? Does it finish with a dng file, or a jpg file? (I can find the exact moment when they showed these, and post it here, if that would help.) On a side note, the session was hours long, but I enjoyed every minute to it - until my network connection died about 10 minutes before they finished. I learned a lot, am even more interested in the M11 now than ever, but they pointed out that the big thing was to be out there using a Leica, and that it didn't need to be the very latest model. I'm still using my M10, and love it, more than I ever expected I would. It's like the M2 that I grew up with, but with the benefits of digital. I used to shoot HDR images, with many cameras, bracketing, and using Photomatix for the stitching. I'd like to know how to do this new single-shot-HDR for when/if the opportunity arises. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobjuul Posted January 31, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, MikeMyers said: Somehow, I caught this live-stream just as it was starting, and David and Josh did answer two of my questions. I had a third question, but didn't get to ask. In the photos they displayed, David showed a few "single shot HDR" images. Is this something new the M11 can do, that previous M cameras can not? How is it done? Does it finish with a dng file, or a jpg file? (I can find the exact moment when they showed these, and post it here, if that would help.) On a side note, the session was hours long, but I enjoyed every minute to it - until my network connection died about 10 minutes before they finished. I learned a lot, am even more interested in the M11 now than ever, but they pointed out that the big thing was to be out there using a Leica, and that it didn't need to be the very latest model. I'm still using my M10, and love it, more than I ever expected I would. It's like the M2 that I grew up with, but with the benefits of digital. I used to shoot HDR images, with many cameras, bracketing, and using Photomatix for the stitching. I'd like to know how to do this new single-shot-HDR for when/if the opportunity arises. The single shot HDR is just done in post with editing. He didn't say, but I suspect it's just pulling the sliders all the way to the extremes (shadows +99, highlights -99 and exposure adjustment) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2022 Share #14 Posted January 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, MikeMyers said: Somehow, I caught this live-stream just as it was starting, and David and Josh did answer two of my questions. I had a third question, but didn't get to ask. In the photos they displayed, David showed a few "single shot HDR" images. Is this something new the M11 can do, that previous M cameras can not? How is it done? Does it finish with a dng file, or a jpg file? He was just saying that the camera has a lot of dynamic range and if exposed properly can be pushed and pulled pretty far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 31, 2022 Share #15 Posted January 31, 2022 Which tool, in which editor, does he use to do this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumformula Posted January 31, 2022 Share #16 Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, MikeMyers said: Which tool, in which editor, does he use to do this? He was just using the exposure/shadows, etc sliders in Lightroom to pull out the shadow detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 31, 2022 Share #17 Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, mediumformula said: He was just using the exposure/shadows, etc sliders in Lightroom to pull out the shadow detail. I guess I was wrong. I thought he clicked on something that did all this work automatically for him, creating the single HDR image. I think you're saying he created multiple images from that single shot, and then used HDR software to combine them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2022 Share #18 Posted January 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, MikeMyers said: I guess I was wrong. I thought he clicked on something that did all this work automatically for him, creating the single HDR image. I think you're saying he created multiple images from that single shot, and then used HDR software to combine them? No magic...just typical processing. Honestly you can do this with any image that has a full range...if you like the effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted January 31, 2022 Share #19 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeMyers said: In the photos they displayed, David showed a few "single shot HDR" images. Is this something new the M11 can do, that previous M cameras can not? How is it done? Does it finish with a dng file, or a jpg file? You can create HDR photo with the M10 and/or Q2 and/or SL2. In the drive menu just select exposure bracketing, choose 5 frames and 1 EV. It helps if you use a tripod, but not absolutely necessary. Then use Lightroom to combine the five images and you will have one very large DNG file. edit: I think @digitalfx just answered this as I was typing a reply! Edited January 31, 2022 by T25UFO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumformula Posted January 31, 2022 Share #20 Posted January 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, MikeMyers said: I guess I was wrong. I thought he clicked on something that did all this work automatically for him, creating the single HDR image. I think you're saying he created multiple images from that single shot, and then used HDR software to combine them? No. It was just a normal shot and he was showing how much latitude there was in the image to allow him to bring shadows out of underexposed areas using Lightroom exposure sliders - ie. metering for highlights and bringing out shadows in post. He was just colloquially calling it "single shot HDR" but not using that as a term of art. Why don't you go back and re-watch this section on the Youtube video of the livestream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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