Would you buy an EVF only M camera? [MERGED]

[pgk]

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32 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

I'm not going to wade through 42 pages to see if this point has been made ..... but don't you think that the selection of naff bolt on visoflex EVF's for the M range indicates how Leica feel about this ? 

They could have ditched the opto-mechanical viewfinder years ago ..... the whole mechanism is a real pain when it comes to adjustment and calibrations so it would have simplified construction and reduced costs. A pure EVF version is not difficult to implement.

I await the day that the EVF-M is available and the thread complaining about how the viewfinder view isn't as good as it could be, etc., etc.. (And yes, add on visoflexes always look like an afterthought to me).

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[evikne]

43 minutes ago, Leitz. said:

Time to go to a mirrorless M mount camera instead of trying to make the M into something that it isn’t.

To be a little pedantic: We already have a mirrorless M. All of them are, actually. 😉 

[Leitz.]

3 minutes ago, evikne said:

To be a little pedantic: We already have a mirrorless M. All of them are, actually. 😉 

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[lct]

5 hours ago, Leitz. said:

[...] I hope Leica makes a mirrorless camera with an M mount. I really do. Especially since a lot of people just can’t focus a rangefinder for various reasons. Or could before and no longer can. It’s also more accessible to more people and they can sell even more M lenses. Everyone wins. 
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This one is not that ugly either

 

[evikne]

1 hour ago, lct said:

This one is not that ugly either

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Yes, it is. 😝 If I were to buy an EVF M it had to look like an M, that's the whole point (I know the MD-2 is also an M, but not the most typical one). The viewfinder window has become an important part of the iconic design. So Leica has to include it even though it is not needed, either just for decoration or with another function (something à la the M10-D's thumb rest).

[jaapv]

Form over function. That does not go down too well with me. Fake windows is one step too far. 

[lct]

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1 hour ago, evikne said:

Yes, it is. 😝 If I were to buy an EVF M it had to look like an M, that's the whole point (I know the MD-2 is also an M, but not the most typical one). The viewfinder window has become an important part of the iconic design. So Leica has to include it even though it is not needed, either just for decoration or with another function (something à la the M10-D's thumb rest).

The MD-2 was not typical for sure but the EVF-M is not supposed to be typical either. Now factice things are not my cup of tea unless they are easy to remove like the red dot of my early M4-2 used to be. YMMV.  

Edited February 23, 2023 by lct

[raizans]

EVFs weren't so good 10 years ago, so it's probably for the best that they waited.

BTW, what's the oldest thread or post about the EVF-M? Is it here on this forum?

[SrMi]

42 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Form over function. That does not go down too well with me. Fake windows is one step too far. 

Like fake grills on electric cars? 😄

[evikne]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Fake windows is one step too far.

Not if it can be used for something else. Maybe someone here has some good suggestions?

[pgk]

1 hour ago, lct said:

The MD-2 was not typical for sure ......  

According to the wiki here ~2600 were made. Add all the scientific Ms (including the M1) and that equates to about 32k cameras out of what 6-700 k M cameras all told (very -ish) so no not typical and low sales.

[pgk]

1 minute ago, evikne said:

Not if it can be used for something else. Maybe someone here has some good suggestions?

Large flashing red do to make sure everone knows what it is?

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Like fake grills on electric cars? 😄

Precisely. 

[jaapv]

18 minutes ago, pgk said:

Large flashing red do to make sure everone knows what it is?

Flash? 

[charlesphoto99]

6 hours ago, pgk said:

I await the day that the EVF-M is available and the thread complaining about how the viewfinder view isn't as good as it could be, etc., etc.. (And yes, add on visoflexes always look like an afterthought to me).

Yep. And due to their 'aging' eyes they still can't focus properly (which means in the end they should've just gotten an AF camera and lenses with a 'P' mode). 

[jaapv]

20 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Yep. And due to their 'aging' eyes they still can't focus properly (which means in the end they should've just gotten an AF camera and lenses with a 'P' mode). 

Good point. Focusing on an EVF is not as easy as a rangefinder. Aging eyes can normally be optimized and if not cannot use an EVF either   

[raizans]

Tisk tisk, more misinformation. People have different eye problems and find different viewfinders easier to focus.

[jaapv]

That is basically correct. But a general “EVF is better for aging eyes” which can be found multiple times in this thread, is even more misleading by the same token and deserves a pushback. 

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[evikne]

2 hours ago, raizans said:

EVFs weren't so good 10 years ago, so it's probably for the best that they waited.

BTW, what's the oldest thread or post about the EVF-M? Is it here on this forum?

A possible future EVF M is mentioned in this thread from 2009 (post #7). I don't know if this is the very first time though:

Edited February 23, 2023 by evikne

[charlesphoto99]

1 hour ago, raizans said:

Tisk tisk, more misinformation. People have different eye problems and find different viewfinders easier to focus.

You will still be using manual focus lenses with an M EVF. And you're no longer looking straight 'through glass' (except the patch) but instead at a mini TV only millimeters from your eye. I think (and know for me), like Jaap says, an EVF solving eye issues isn't automatic. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by charlesphoto99