Would you buy an EVF only M camera? [MERGED]

[SrMi]

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23 minutes ago, DenverSteve said:

Yes, but this time the questionnaire came directly from Leica.  I received mine from Leica as it was sent to registered Leica owners.  I sent them my answers this week.  They are actively looking into this. 

Did you get a questionnaire from Leica or from LSI?

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[DenverSteve]

7 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Did you get a questionnaire from Leica or from LSI?

Actually, LSI, thank you sir. 

[Camaro5]

I got the questionnaire from LSI and have mixed feelings about an EVF M.  I'm assuming that you would have to use focus peaking (or nothing) and I'd have to see how accurate the focusing is and how easy it is to use.  

I'm heavily invested in the SL system right now and also have an M246 Monochrom and a Q2.  At this point I don't think I'd really be that interested in an EVF M, and I don't know if many M purists would be either.  

[Storm Chaser]

I am not that new to Leica, having previously a Q2, and now as of this week, an M11 +35 Cron). It is interesting how passionate people are about the 'sacred cow' aspects of what an M should or should not be. The huge outpouring of almost 'grief' at the M baseplate changing on the M11 etc etc and now the possibility of an EVF version. In reality, Leica treads a tricky line - it needs to stay relevant and sell camera's, else it will eventually die. That means keeping up with technology changes and what might sell in the future. If an EVF version existed today - an M11 EVF for example, I would have bought that quite possibly.  If one comes out at a later version, I may well consider it. It isnt 'do-or-die' but a value-add I might want to explore.

Let Leica evolve to market and tech changes. Sacred Cows should not exist in this world. The world will always be spinning and we should spin with it - or else jump off.

[evikne]

If Leica is currently at the stage where they are only considering making such a camera, it seems that there is still a long way to go.

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32 minutes ago, Storm Chaser said:

Sacred Cows should not exist

😂🤣😂

[Henners]

If it's both optical and an internal pop up EVF in the optical viewfinder then for critical framing with close objects it would be very handy to avoid the parallax difference between what the lens sees and what your eye sees; along with F1 lenses and perfect focusing. The rest of the time I'd use optical.

Edited February 16, 2023 by Henners

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Henners said:

If it's both optical and an internal pop up EVF in the optical viewfinder then for critical framing with close objects it would be very handy to avoid the parallax difference between what the lens sees and what your eye sees; along with F1 lenses and perfect focusing. The rest of the time I'd use optical.

So far the only option discussed is a replacement of OVF with an EVF, not a combination.

With M11, you can use rear LCD for critical framing.

[Photoworks]

I must think that Leica had the EVF conversation many times and possible played with some prototypes .

I can see myself focusing on M lenses set to F8 on an EVF so often. 

I almost never turned to MF on the Q2, I didn't like focusing manual on the fuji x100V,  but Leica can surprise us, I would be interested in seeing what they come up with.

[Phil75]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Henners:

If it's both optical and an internal pop up EVF in the optical viewfinder then for critical framing with close objects it would be very handy to avoid the parallax difference between what the lens sees and what your eye sees; along with F1 lenses and perfect focusing. The rest of the time I'd use optical.

Why so complicated? Makes it only more expensive and faulty. I'd say either or. As small company you cannot satisfy every customer and all niche desires. Who wants an M with additional EVF can buy it already today. No real need to increase offer complexity.

Instead an EVF M, I'd go for a "small body SLx". Ideal combination with AF for those who want one or with M lenses for those who prefer MF and a smaller package.

Edited February 16, 2023 by Phil75

[SrMi]

Imagine an EVF-only M where you use EVF for focusing and a top-mounted OVF for framing 😄.

[lct]

According to the LSI survey:

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What we are discussing here is a camera based on a current M digital body but incorporating an EVF with characteristics like the current external Visoflex 2 instead of the optical viewfinder. This would mean that it would have the same resolution as the current Visoflex 2, the same frame rate and blackout time. It would also have the same eyepoint for spectacle wearers and the same viewing angle. Battery life would be equivalent to the current M11 with the Visoflex 2 attached » [...] 
An EVF M camera would allow the use of almost any lens that has or could be adapted to an M mount, would permit focusing with aids the same or similar to those currently available in digital M cameras (such as focus peaking), and could show real-time exposure ». [...]
We are talking about adding an alternative to the rangefinder within the M line ». [...]

Exactly what some of us have been expecting about the EVF-M.

[evikne]

1 hour ago, Phil75 said:

Instead an EVF M, I'd go for a "small body SLx". Ideal combination with AF for those who want one or with M lenses for those who prefer MF and a smaller package.

Then it will have to compete with every other EVF camera out there that take M lenses with or without an adapter. But only Leica can make an EVF camera with the iconic M design.

Edited February 16, 2023 by evikne

[Phil75]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb evikne:

Then it will have to compete with every other EVF camera out there that take M lenses with or without an adapter. But only Leica can make an EVF camera with the iconic M design.

So let’s have that body in a M design, L Mount and make it at last a modern camera, bringing the best of both worlds together.

[evikne]

5 minutes ago, Phil75 said:

So let’s have that body in a M design, L Mount and make it at last a modern camera, bringing the best of both worlds together.

With an L mount you would need an adapter for M lenses, which would make the camera bulky and ruin the whole point of such a camera.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, evikne said:

With an L mount you would need an adapter for M lenses, which would make the camera bulky and ruin the whole point of such a camera.

A few mm flange protrusion? “The whole camera bulky”? Really?  Actually it is the opposite: If you have a native M mount the total sensor-flange distance is exactly the same as an L mount plus adapter, making the L mount version with adapter the sleeker option. 

[xiaubauu2009]

Fujifilm X-Pro series style of hybrid viewfinder, switching between real Rangefinder (Fujifilm one doesn't have it, but Leica could have it, if they can) and EVF with a press of a button, then can be gone with the visoflex crap.

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[SrMi]

10 minutes ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

Fujifilm X-Pro series style of hybrid viewfinder, switching between real Rangefinder (Fujifilm one doesn't have it, but Leica could have it, if they can) and EVF with a press of a button, then can be gone with the visoflex crap.

Leica has evaluated a hybrid EVF/OVF like X-Pro's but found that it would diminish the rangefinder experience and therefore is unacceptable.

[xiaubauu2009]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Leica has evaluated a hybrid EVF/OVF like X-Pro's but found that it would diminish the rangefinder experience and therefore is unacceptable.

technology developed, who knows. Hahah but ya, don't think it's happening