coronita Posted January 15, 2022 Share #1 Posted January 15, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) A big question, I know Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 Hi coronita, Take a look here ¿Who makes the M11 sensor. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
GT2RS Posted January 15, 2022 Share #2 Posted January 15, 2022 Sony. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 15, 2022 Share #3 Posted January 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, GT2RS said: Sony. model number? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2022 Share #4 Posted January 15, 2022 7 hours ago, frame-it said: model number? Likely the same as in fp-l and a7riv. IMO, it is very likely that it is Sony’s sensor, but it is still only speculation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 15, 2022 Share #5 Posted January 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, SrMi said: Likely the same as in fp-l and a7riv. IMO, it is very likely that it is Sony’s sensor, but it is still only speculation. the quad bayer sensor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted January 15, 2022 Share #6 Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Its likely the Sony IMX455 sensor. Its the same sensor from the Sigma fp-l and Sony A7R-IV and A7R-IV-AIts one of the best image sensors on the market. Its a smaller version of the GFX100/GFX100s sensor. Edited January 15, 2022 by neekon correction 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 15, 2022 Share #7 Posted January 15, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) It’s not a Sony sensor. It is a custom made sensor to Leica specifications. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2022 Share #8 Posted January 15, 2022 Or maybe it is IMX 455. Unfortunately, not even Sony publicly specifies the type of sensor they use in their cameras. Note that there is no datasheet for IMX 451 available online, but one for IMX 455. Why would you think it is a Quad Bayer sensor? AFAIK, it helps mainly with video when binning 2x2. Leica said they use binning for lower resolution modes, but their ratio does not seem like a classical 2x2 or 4x4 binning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2022 Share #9 Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, jdlaing said: It’s not a Sony sensor. It is a custom made sensor to Leica specifications. Could be. Do you have a source? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 15, 2022 Share #10 Posted January 15, 2022 Yes I have a source but will not give it as I cannot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted January 15, 2022 Share #11 Posted January 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, jdlaing said: It’s not a Sony sensor. It is a custom made sensor to Leica specifications. It seems on paper its the an IMX455 customized to Leica's specs. New CFA, Processor. Likely added a pixel binning option for the lower resolutions. They also likely removed the Phase Detect AF layer. Its not a bad thing if its a Sony sensor. Many of the best sensors are Sony sensors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswalt Posted January 15, 2022 Share #12 Posted January 15, 2022 Sony does. A bit weird that the sensor in the M10r {S3) is technically a newer sensor if going by general market availability. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, jdlaing said: Yes I have a source but will not give it as I cannot. Thanks for the info, as long as your source is reliable :). Everybody mentions that M11 is a BSI sensor, and Sony was the only one making them, AFAIK. But, on the other hand, this triple resolution thing, apparently done in hardware, is an indication of a possible non-Sony sensor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 15, 2022 Share #14 Posted January 15, 2022 I agree. If it’s hardware binning than the sensor is probably not a different version of the one in α7R IV. It’s unlikely Sony Semicon would be allowed to sell newer tech than what is in Sony cameras to competitors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted January 15, 2022 Share #15 Posted January 15, 2022 Not only the sensor is important, the steering firmware is equal important. It is a known fact Nikon can push the Sony sensors to a better performance that Sony itself. Only because of the applied firmware. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 15, 2022 Share #16 Posted January 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Gobert said: Not only the sensor is important, the steering firmware is equal important. It is a known fact Nikon can push the Sony sensors to a better performance that Sony itself. Only because of the applied firmware. Yes, the sensor toppings and the firmware have a lot influence on the quality of the final output. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innovare Posted August 3 Share #17 Posted August 3 (edited) https://www.electronicspecifier.com/products/sensors/leica-m-max-cmosis-24-mp-cmos-image-sensor They mention a long term strategic relationship, so I don't think it would last for only one iteration... Hmmm, I did some more reading, it looks like CMOSIS was acquired by OSRAM, after that they do not mention a high end photographic sensor... Edited August 3 by innovare More info... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 3 Share #18 Posted August 3 31 minutes ago, innovare said: https://www.electronicspecifier.com/products/sensors/leica-m-max-cmosis-24-mp-cmos-image-sensor They mention a long term strategic relationship, so I don't think it would last for only one iteration... Hmmm, I did some more reading, it looks like CMOSIS was acquired by OSRAM, after that they do not mention a high end photographic sensor... Funny. did you see the date on the article? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted August 3 Share #19 Posted August 3 That news article refers to a 2012 sensor; the company has been acquired since, and there's no obvious tie to Leica. No imaging sensors suitable for a digital M or any photo camera show up in their lineup. https://ams-osram.com/search?productSearch=true&filter_products=cmos-image-sensors&q=q Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 3 Share #20 Posted August 3 (edited) • Edited August 3 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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