Leica M12 -- your next camera?

[Krusty]

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But the Q2 had contrast AF and this should also work with the M11. 

[jdlaing]

Except M lenses don’t AF.

[Krusty]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb jdlaing:

Except M lenses don’t AF.

Did you watch the video? That is a concept for eye or face-detection with a manual lens…

[Krusty]

vor 1 Minute schrieb Al Brown:

This mentioned amazing Zf function makes perfect sense if you want to use tons of MF lenses on your mirrorles body. The Zf's innovative approach lets you focus accurately without focus peaking or zooming in which is a function NO OTHER MIRRORLESS CAMERA HAS at the moment - it works anywhere within the field of view and the indicator square even sticks to faces and eyes if you want. This is a truly AWESOME function! Although I use Sony for video I am seriously considering the Zf for photography with tons of my MF lenses *AND* it works perfectly with adapted Sony FE GMasters as well (Megadep ETZ21 adapter).

Is there a Nikon Adapter for M or R lenses? Maybe I this is the better SL?

[Krusty]

Does anybody out there have the Nikon ZF and can post a video how he uses a M Lens with that feature 

[Krusty]

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Edit: sorry that was an autofocus video 

Edited July 18, 2024 by Krusty

[kiwidad]

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Yup, if i can afford it in my old age I think an M12 will be in my future. 

Hopefully it will still be a digital core and mostly uncluttered by all the crap I left behind at nikon and fuji!

Maybe they can even roll back all the features and make it simpler with less features for folk to complain about too! 

Its funny but the biggest complaints in Leica history were when they added a meter (M5) and electronic shutter (M7). Maybe they need to step back to their cores and build an amazing  mechanical M camera with a sensor and feature akin to an M6 🙂

[Krusty]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb kiwidad:

Yup, if i can afford it in my old age I think an M12 will be in my future. 

Hopefully it will still be a digital core and mostly uncluttered by all the crap I left behind at nikon and fuji!

Maybe they can even roll back all the features and make it simpler with less features for folk to complain about too! 

Its funny but the biggest complaints in Leica history were when they added a meter (M5) and electronic shutter (M7). Maybe they need to step back to their cores and build an amazing  mechanical M camera with a sensor and feature akin to an M6 🙂

But why then wait for M12 and not buy a M10-D?

[Carl Seibert]

Hi, Given that the rumor sites are rumoring about what features the M12 could have, I was ruminating about what the M Leica would do well to copy from the Fuji X-Pro's finder. And what it shouldn't. I looked for a thread to bring it up and this one seems close enough.

I hadn't thought about the Nikon Zf focus thing.

But what I did think would be great would be if the focusing patch could show an in-focus state with a colored border in the way that the Fuji's (and Nikon's) does/do.

I was thinking in terms of reading the rangefinder image (for contrast; easy enough) and reporting out in a clear way. (Without interfering with its normal optical function) That would make long/fast lenses easier to focus in poor light, for sure. But it would also make it possible to use 90s and 135s with a .52 or .58 finder. Which would make the shooting experience with a 35, or heaven forbid even a 28, halfway decent. (The Fuji's finder is .52, and it's the bomb with a 35mm equivalent. Weirdly, there's no 28mm eqv frame line in the Fuji. Go figure)

Leica could read the contrast of the rangefinder image (We know the rangefinder itself works accurately enough because we can shoot with a 135 just fine if we use the 1.4x loupe) OR Leica could use focus-detecting pixels on the sensor like every mirrorless camera and simply drive the indicator instead of an autofocus mechanism. That's what Nikon is doing in the Zf. Nikon goes a step further and does the whole eye/face/bird/whatever detect thing. But that seems over the top and un-M-like to me.

What I DON'T think would be a good idea to copy from the Fuji would be the built-in hybrid OVF/EVF arrangement. That works great on the Fuji because, IMHO, the Fuji literally BECOMES a mirrorless SLR when you engage the EVF. The Fuji uses SLR lenses, which have auto-aperture.  M lenses don't have that. They can't. And shouldn't, as far as I'm concerned. So I think the built-in EVF would be a waste of time, money, weight, and space. The M can't be an SLR. And doesn't need to be. I think the Visoflex makes the M as SLR-like as it needs to be for rare occasions when we need a bit of that. (However, curing the blackout problem would be nice. Please.)

I personally am all about making the 35mm work better. But I don't want to not be able to focus a 90. I think the green indicator thing would be fabulous. Anybody else intrigued by the idea?

-Carl

 

 

 

[kiwidad]

14 hours ago, Krusty said:

But why then wait for M12 and not buy a M10-D?

I didnt like the M10. I wasn't a fan of the take the bottom plate off to change batteries. My Q2 battery just added to that dislike, that and USB charging was a big winner for me on the M11. In the interim I am thinking about an M11P and that huge buffer!

Edited July 20, 2024 by kiwidad

[setuporg]

OK now that M11-D is here, we’ve got everything but special editions.  Time to seriously get to work expecting the M12.

Clearly it tops out at 60 MP.  Hopefully read out time will improve.

Might be complete electronic shutter, the end of an era for mechanical ones.

The long imagined OVF+EVF will never materialize.  The EVF crowd will be left wanting, as it should, going to Q and SL.

Are we looking at early 2026?

 

[hdmesa]

5 hours ago, setuporg said:

OK now that M11-D is here, we’ve got everything but special editions.  Time to seriously get to work expecting the M12.

Clearly it tops out at 60 MP.  Hopefully read out time will improve.

Might be complete electronic shutter, the end of an era for mechanical ones.

The long imagined OVF+EVF will never materialize.  The EVF crowd will be left wanting, as it should, going to Q and SL.

Are we looking at early 2026?

 

Unless Sony comes out with a new stacked sensor, isn't the 50mp sensor used in the A1 the highest resolution stacked sensor that Sony makes? Leica has to make choices about hardware well in advance, so time is running out to get a sensor other than what is available today. 

If no built-in EVF variant (why can't EVF and optical rangefinder models coexist?), then at least make the Visoflex 3 at least 5.76 million dot. Fujifilm has a detachable 9 million dot 1.0x EVF for the GFX, so it should be physically possible to do 5x million dot for the M12. But my preference would be for M12 and M12-A ("A" for "accessible" for vision impairment). Nothing taken away, but something new offered.

I think the M11 will be around longer than the M10 series. I think they will be taking extra time with the M12 so that it sees a more stable release.

Maybe we'll get an M11-R with sensor tech passed down from the rumored mirrorless Leica medium format camera. This would be similar to how the M10-R sensor was a smaller version of the S3 sensor. It would depend on if the timeline for releasing the S4 would overlap with a potential M11-R.