TTArtisan 28mm f5.6

[ianman]

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16 hours ago, Huss said:

The differences in optical design are very clear.  The Summaron has its character, while the TTA basically shows that it is a very modern, compact 28mm option.

Precisely. Which is why the comparison between these two specific lenses make little sense. Just because the look the same on the outside it doesn’t follow the results will be anywhere near the same. I mean, if this TTA had been built to look like a 28mm Summicron or a 50mm Summilux, would we be getting all these comparisons? I think not. The Summaron is 100% Summaron and the TTA is 100% TTA. Users should get the lens that meets they requirements based on the results, not on price or manufacturer or what it looks or doesn’t look like.

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On 7/16/2022 at 11:43 AM, Matlock said:

Yes I agree. The article in Viewfinder by Marke Gilbert comes to much the same conclusions (be aware that my Summaron is the earlier screw mount version). Marke's summing up is as follows: "Is the TT Artisan 80% of the Leica for 10% of the cost? Without question".

How the hell one comes up with such numbers? Like, is a Bigmac 86% of a Horse Steak? Without question.

wowsky. 

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10 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Bigmac

What's a "Bigmac"?

[ianman]

26 minutes ago, pedaes said:

What's a "Bigmac"?

He wrote “without question” 🤪

[pedaes]

6 minutes ago, ianman said:

He wrote “without question” 🤪

Apologies!

[hdmesa]

7 hours ago, jakontil said:

the shot i seen was not against the sun when compared to the ttartisans or may be the samples shown wasnt consistent, but my reissue flares quite obvious when shot against the sun

with that said, i always look for flares when doing some street photos which is what i like obviously

from matlock samples, do you think there's a different in contrast between the two? thought slightly, the ttartisan seems better

I’ve not looked at comparisons side by side, but I’m sure there are minor differences. But using my 28 Summaron alongside my 28 Summilux, I never thought to myself that the Summaron lacked contrast. Regarding flare: veiling flare (the kind and amount that ruins shots, not the kind that adds artistic character), I thought that was a weakness of the TTA as reported in this thread. IDK since I don’t own one.

28 Summaron into the sun at f/5.6 (clouds and shadows highly recovered in post):

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28 Summaron contrast seems like any other modern lens to me:

Edited July 17, 2022 by hdmesa

[Huss]

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3 hours ago, hdmesa said:

I’ve not looked at comparisons side by side, but I’m sure there are minor differences. But using my 28 Summaron alongside my 28 Summilux, I never thought to myself that the Summaron lacked contrast. Regarding flare: veiling flare (the kind and amount that ruins shots, not the kind that adds artistic character), I thought that was a weakness of the TTA as reported in this thread. IDK since I don’t own one.

28 Summaron into the sun at f/5.6 (clouds and shadows highly recovered in post):

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28 Summaron contrast seems like any other modern lens to me:

I think you've read it already, but if not from post #410 I added pics to deliberately show how the TTA handles flare - with the sun both in and out of the frame.  I did not use the lens hood (and never will as it is so massive and IMO defeats the whole point of this lens).

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, Huss said:

I think you've read it already, but if not from post #410 I added pics to deliberately show how the TTA handles flare - with the sun both in and out of the frame.  I did not use the lens hood (and never will as it is so massive and IMO defeats the whole point of this lens).

What about on digital? Asking since vignetting often differs between film and digital.

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-ttartisan-28mm-5-6-m/

...any light source outside the frame may create severe issues with veiling flare running across most of the frame.

Edited July 17, 2022 by hdmesa

[jakontil]

11 hours ago, hdmesa said:

I’ve not looked at comparisons side by side, but I’m sure there are minor differences. But using my 28 Summaron alongside my 28 Summilux, I never thought to myself that the Summaron lacked contrast. Regarding flare: veiling flare (the kind and amount that ruins shots, not the kind that adds artistic character), I thought that was a weakness of the TTA as reported in this thread. IDK since I don’t own one.

28 Summaron into the sun at f/5.6 (clouds and shadows highly recovered in post):

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28 Summaron contrast seems like any other modern lens to me:

Hi mate, exactly my point, i never felt it lacked contrast compared to TTartisans’ only when side by side, and surprisingly, the 7artisans version kicks in more contrasty looks compared to TTartisans

no complaints with the reissue summaron, used exclusively for my 28mm streetphoto

and i love its characters ( flaws )

[Dennis]

From yesterday, at the beach, around 10am.

M10 + generic vented filter 37mm - all at f8

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Like this tiny lens. It's definitely a keeper...

 

[pippy]

On 7/17/2022 at 7:48 PM, hdmesa said:

What about on digital? Asking since vignetting often differs between film and digital.

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-ttartisan-28mm-5-6-m/

...any light source outside the frame may create severe issues with veiling flare running across most of the frame.

There seems to be a split between certain lenses which do suffer from veiling flare and those which don't. From what I've seen and from much which I've read the pre-production samples which were sent out to reviewers - including Phillip Reeve - were all in the former category. They also seem to render with less sharpness than later examples. There has been some speculation that there might have been a slight optical-tweak before the release of the final production lenses. Certainly there was some considerable delay between the posting of the reviews and the time when the lens was available to order by the general public.

These subjects have been discussed earlier on in this thread but as the post count is now well over 450 it might be time-consuming to find those with greatest relevance. I will, however, point you in the direction of a post which I made regarding the issue of veiling flare where I couldn't get my copy to exhibit the phenomenon no matter how hard I tried. Have a look, if you are so inclined, at post #194 on page 10 (and FWIW there are examples of how sharp my own copy renders in the same page).

I suspect that there were quite a few posts on the pages surrounding that one discussing these topics.

Hope it / they might be of some help.

Philip.

[hdmesa]

7 hours ago, pippy said:

There seems to be a split between certain lenses which do suffer from veiling flare and those which don't. From what I've seen and from much which I've read the pre-production samples which were sent out to reviewers - including Phillip Reeve - were all in the former category. They also seem to render with less sharpness than later examples. There has been some speculation that there might have been a slight optical-tweak before the release of the final production lenses. Certainly there was some considerable delay between the posting of the reviews and the time when the lens was available to order by the general public.

These subjects have been discussed earlier on in this thread but as the post count is now well over 450 it might be time-consuming to find those with greatest relevance. I will, however, point you in the direction of a post which I made regarding the issue of veiling flare where I couldn't get my copy to exhibit the phenomenon no matter how hard I tried. Have a look, if you are so inclined, at post #194 on page 10 (and FWIW there are examples of how sharp my own copy renders in the same page).

I suspect that there were quite a few posts on the pages surrounding that one discussing these topics.

Hope it / they might be of some help.

Philip.

Hey, thanks for this. I thought I was keeping up with this thread, but I obviously missed a good chunk of it. I swear sometimes the “jump to first new post” setting on this forum takes me past things I haven’t read yet. 

[erniethemilk]

Just come back from a week in Croatia where I used the little TT Artisans 28mm f5.6 for more than half of the 500 photos I took for the week.

I'm really pleased with the quality I'm seeing from the lens, I'm trying to justify a 28mm that's a bit faster, but for most of the time where speed isn't a need, the TTA 28mm works great for me.

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[Dennis]

1 hour ago, erniethemilk said:

I'm really pleased with the quality I'm seeing from the lens, I'm trying to justify a 28mm that's a bit faster, but for most of the time where speed isn't a need, the TTA 28mm works great for me.

I agree. It is genuinely a little tiny beast. I enjoy the brass and how it feels (when changing the lens ). So far, so good: I didn't find any issue. IQ is better than expected. I don't often use the 28mm, only when I wake up 'very' 28. F8 all day long and don't worry about f-stops anymore. So it makes sense to have only one 28mm for M (and my Q2M). But I have several 35s because it's my favorite and most enjoyable way to go. More than anything, because of the frame lines. No for the focal length itself.

Speaking about the devil. I will be traveling by car with my wife soon (at least 2500 miles), and I'm still struggling with which lens should I take. The funny thing? I already picked a CV 21/4 and an Elmarit-M 90/2.8, but which 35mm? I want three lenses, todo! But this is a question for another thread  ... Just kidding.

 

[Dennis]

Again, no issues. But maybe, on harsht backlight conditions, it could be a little prone to veiling flare. Look with an heavy dehaze in LrC (test, 1-2-3).

SOOC on the left.

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And then against the sun, and nothing... 

 

 

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Click on for the high rez. There is pop at f8 ... 

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Just received my copy and used it on my M11.   More than a little surprised at the quality, contrast and pop.   It’s easily the equal of my Elmarits and Summarit.  I haven’t seen any decentering or unmanageable vignette either.   It’s a tiny, daytime street photography monster and is becoming a goto 28 for me.  

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I have zero regrets in regards to trading in my Summaron 28/5.6 after receiving my black copy of the TTA 28/5.6. That trade, with two other Leica lenses, helped get a good deal on two new Summicrons, 35/50, plus I traded an older 28 Elmarit for the new version too.........It was a busy "trade-up" month as I pared down lenses I didn't use much to ones I wanted to own now..........I rarely used the 28 Summaron anyway so exercising it's still considerable value was a good move for me. The TTA 28/5.6 doesn't disappoint in any way at all and having it in the black version is a bonus. It truly is an amazing value for it's build and performance.

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56 minutes ago, petermullett said:

I have zero regrets in regards to trading in my Summaron 28/5.6 after receiving my black copy of the TTA 28/5.6.

I myself didn't trade in - I spent a good hour playing about with the Summaron in the Leica shop and outside, and then bought the TTA. When looking at the results from both, I have zero regrets in putting down the Summaron and choosing the TTA instead. I got some really lovely shots with it when I went on holiday - what a joyous compact set up!