Huss Posted June 24, 2022 Share #341 Posted June 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) @egrossman thanks! I hope the lens is decent. I'm drawn to small lenses on Leica Ms - I have no interest in the large ones. It just ruins the enjoyment IMO, and goes against the original design brief. I sold my 7A 20 1.4 because it was a huge pipe, and replaced it w a Summicron Asph v2 because I did not want the size of the Summilux 28. I actually was conflicted as I had the Elmarit Asph 28 which was superb, but wanted the one more stop of speed as I am a film shooter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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egrossman Posted June 24, 2022 Share #342 Posted June 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Huss said: @egrossman thanks! I hope the lens is decent. I'm drawn to small lenses on Leica Ms - I have no interest in the large ones. It just ruins the enjoyment IMO, and goes against the original design brief. I sold my 7A 20 1.4 because it was a huge pipe, and replaced it w a Summicron Asph v2 because I did not want the size of the Summilux 28. I actually was conflicted as I had the Elmarit Asph 28 which was superb, but wanted the one more stop of speed as I am a film shooter. I'm not drawn to a particular size of lens, rather lenses in the same focal length that are very different in the way they each draw. For example, because I already own the 28mm Summilux, I chose the Summaron because to offers something very different. In this same vein, I'd eventually like to get a 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH to pair with my pre-FLE Erik Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 24, 2022 Share #343 Posted June 24, 2022 If a lens is too big, I'm not going to use it. A purely personal decision. I don't like the bulk, the VF blockage, the way it unbalances the camera. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 24, 2022 Share #344 Posted June 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Huss said: If a lens is too big, I'm not going to use it. A purely personal decision. I don't like the bulk, the VF blockage, the way it unbalances the camera. +1 24 minutes ago, Huss said: the VF blockage My reason #1. On M cameras, It's so beautiful the VF, and so important for the composition. To use a small lens that doesn't block the VF at all, honestly, it's a pleasure for the eye. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 24, 2022 Share #345 Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) I just don't see viewfinder blockage as a big deal. Let's take an extreme example with the 50mm Noctilux 1.0 v4. In this example, is viewfinder blockage going to really prevent you from composing your picture? With regard to balance: the weight of this Noctilux is 584.3g and the M10-D is 660g so I would say balance is pretty even. Just my 2 cents. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 24, 2022 by egrossman Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4459313'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 24, 2022 Share #346 Posted June 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, egrossman said: Let's take an extreme example with the 50mm Noctilux 1.0 v4. In this example, is viewfinder blockage going to really prevent you from composing your picture? Of course, cause it uses the 50mm frame lines. Try to compose with a 28 Lux, then you tell me if there is a difference. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 24, 2022 Share #347 Posted June 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 minutes ago, Dennis said: Of course, cause it uses the 50mm frame lines. Try to compose with a 28 Lux, then you tell me if there is a difference. Here you go. I don't use hoods but for the sake for fairness, pics with and without the hood. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4459321'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 24, 2022 Share #348 Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 4:27 PM, egrossman said: Well the used copy of the TT Artisan 28mm lens that I received from B&H was a bust. What looked like veiling flare could be seen across the frame no matter how I took pictures with the lens. Back it went to B&H... Sorry to hear that the copy you received was a dud. Just out of curiosity, Erik, would you mind sharing the serial number if you know what it was? Exclude the last couple of digits if this will make you feel more comfortable. I ask because (as has been written and commented upon several times in this thread) there does seem to be a very marked difference in performance between the early lenses and those which came about later on with the early-release examples being especially susceptible to veiling flare in particular. In contrast (no pun intended) owners of later lenses don't seem to have encountered this phenomenon. On the plus side I'm sure you will be delighted with the in-coming Summaron. Hopefully the weather in London will be kind to you during your visit! Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 24, 2022 Share #349 Posted June 24, 2022 Sorry Philip, but I've already sent the lens back to B&H and didn't make note of the serial number. WRT London, I lived there from 9 through the end of University. I do hope we'll see a nice August; I'm sure it will be hot! Erik 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 24, 2022 Share #350 Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, egrossman said: Here you go. I don't use hoods but for the sake for fairness, pics with and without the hood. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! show me the frame lines of a 28mm, it doesn't make sense w/o them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 24, 2022 Share #351 Posted June 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dennis said: show me the frame lines of a 28mm, it doesn't make sense w/o them Sorry. There is no way to get the iphone see the 28mm frame lines. The iphone camera just can't get close enough to the viewfinder. Let's just agree to disagree. Erik 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 24, 2022 Share #352 Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, egrossman said: Here you go. I don't use hoods but for the sake for fairness, pics with and without the hood. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Your images through the viewfinder are nothing like one would actually see! You have taken them several inches behind the vf to hide the blockage! Clue # 1 is we can see the VF surround - which you would not if you were actually using the camera. And clue # 2 is where are the frame lines? This is what it actually looks like through the VF of my M10r with 35 FLE and Nokton 50 1.1 Edited June 24, 2022 by Huss 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 24, 2022 Share #353 Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, egrossman said: Sorry. There is no way to get the iphone see the 28mm frame lines. The iphone camera just can't get close enough to the viewfinder. Let's just agree to disagree. Erik I'll oblige. Here are the 28mm frame lines on my 10r taken with my iphone. This is using my Summicron 28 Asph v2, which is much smaller than the Summilux 28. As you can see, the vf blockage is significant. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4459398'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 25, 2022 Share #354 Posted June 25, 2022 And here is the 10r with the lovely CV 28 3.5 including it's hood! This package is just delightful to use. Almost zero vf intrusion! This is why I love small lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4459399'>More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 25, 2022 Share #355 Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Huss said: I'll oblige. Here are the 28mm frame lines on my 10r taken with my iphone. This is using my Summicron 28 Asph v2, which is much smaller than the Summilux 28. As you can see, the vf blockage is significant. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I just don't see this as significant blockage or a big deal. I guess that why it's great to have choices! Small, slower lenses or fast larger lenses. My default lens is the 35mm Summilux pre-FLE (I also own the tiny 35mm Summicron v4 but I enjoy the extra stop). Happy shooting. Erik Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life By Stills Posted June 29, 2022 Share #356 Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 2:58 AM, Dennis said: And don't forget to post some snapshots you took with your new 28mm... I have gone travelling and have mounted the TTArtisan 28mm f/5.6 onto my M10-R and I have been shooting it. I have started uploading my shots (although my edited and scaled down shots are still too large for the forum). This link (https://twitter.com/search?q=%40LifeByStills %23TTArtisan&src=typed_query&f=live) will lead you to a search of my posts involving TTArtisan (I only have the 28mm f/5.6 at the moment) where I have uploaded images. I quite like the vignette and so have no played with getting rid of the vignette in post. Nor have I found the need to play with sharpening. The lens flares like no tomorrow, and you can see with the shot of the soldier on sentry duty, where some of the centre of the photo loses contrast due to flaring (but with no obvious visual indication that flaring was occurring unless you know under what condition it was shot at). My copy seems accurate, and certainly fun to use too. I have been using my Q2 alongside and so can see the difference between a clinically sharp lens, and this retro one. I wouldn't necessarily say I prefer one over the other - I like both, but the TT does give that vintage look about it which I cannot describe in words, which the Q2 doesn't do. I'll upload more as I continue on my travels. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 29, 2022 Share #357 Posted June 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, Life By Stills said: I have gone travelling and have mounted the TTArtisan 28mm f/5.6 onto my M10-R and I have been shooting it. I have started uploading my shots (although my edited and scaled down shots are still too large for the forum). This link (https://twitter.com/search?q=%40LifeByStills %23TTArtisan&src=typed_query&f=live) will lead you to a search of my posts involving TTArtisan (I only have the 28mm f/5.6 at the moment) where I have uploaded images. I quite like the vignette and so have no played with getting rid of the vignette in post. Nor have I found the need to play with sharpening. The lens flares like no tomorrow, and you can see with the shot of the soldier on sentry duty, where some of the centre of the photo loses contrast due to flaring (but with no obvious visual indication that flaring was occurring unless you know under what condition it was shot at). My copy seems accurate, and certainly fun to use too. I have been using my Q2 alongside and so can see the difference between a clinically sharp lens, and this retro one. I wouldn't necessarily say I prefer one over the other - I like both, but the TT does give that vintage look about it which I cannot describe in words, which the Q2 doesn't do. I'll upload more as I continue on my travels. Thank you for posting. Good that you have both 28mm to choose from. The Summilux of the Q is just wow. And the TTA is just great. For the latter, for me, cause of the size, weight, and easiness to use, it's a win-win. Sharp enough w/ a lovely vignette. I use it exclusively at f8 and be there, you know. It just delivers what I ask for. I want to find a tiny 50mm to add to the pocket-size family lenses: CV 21/4 + 28TTA + 35/2 LLL ... When I just want to keep everything small and light, the TTA is a perfect choice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 29, 2022 Share #358 Posted June 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, Dennis said: Thank you for posting. Good that you have both 28mm to choose from. The Summilux of the Q is just wow. And the TTA is just great. For the latter, for me, cause of the size, weight, and easiness to use, it's a win-win. Sharp enough w/ a lovely vignette. I use it exclusively at f8 and be there, you know. It just delivers what I ask for. I want to find a tiny 50mm to add to the pocket-size family lenses: CV 21/4 + 28TTA + 35/2 LLL ... When I just want to keep everything small and light, the TTA is a perfect choice. The CV 40 2.8 is tiny. But not a 50... The tiny 50 choice is the M 50 2.8 collapsible. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 29, 2022 Share #359 Posted June 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Huss said: The tiny 50 choice is the M 50 2.8 collapsible Thank you, I'll check it out! I don't know nothing about this lens. Is it an Elmar-M, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 29, 2022 Share #360 Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Dennis said: Thank you, I'll check it out! I don't know nothing about this lens. Is it an Elmar-M, right? Summicron collapsible 50 is also a great choice. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4462087'>More sharing options...
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