Survey Leica Product Development

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Another CL user choosing "other".

And what features would entice me to a successor to the SL? Hmmm, make an SL the same size as the CL, and fit it with an APS-C sensor so I can use all my current L-mount lenses.

[Enrique Santa]

My fab Leica cam is the CL so I use "other options". I hope the omission of this cam, does'nt mean apsc line is dead. Come on Leica give CL user a sing of live or some hope¡¡¡.

I only will buy an SL sucesor if it change to compact size , rangefinder style and much more lighter.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Enrique Santa

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, willeica said:

This survey is aimed at a younger audience. For someone of my age and style of photography I found it difficult to make a useful comment.

William 

Thank you for calling me young. I certainly feel that way ;-).

[Rosebud55]

I thought it was interesting that they are looking at folding, tilt displays at last.

I use a CL and M246 and I wish I could use a folding back display like on the Fuji X100v. It is useful having the external folding evf on the M246.

[logan2z]

4 hours ago, ianman said:

Q: Which camera do you currently use most often?

A: MP

Q: How much influence did the graphical user interface on the display have on your purchase decision?

A: not relevant

So far, so good...

Q: What would you like to improve about the current graphical user interface on the display?*

A: eerrrrr

System: *"For this question, an answer is required."

Same experience here, as an M-A user who doesn't own any digital cameras.  Clearly the survey was not designed for users of Leica's film cameras.  After the third question in a row about displays I bailed out. 

[Alberti]

The survey was oriented for investigating market response for a newer SL2. So question regarding M were not relevant.

• That implies a blind spot for those M-users that would like a E-body next to an M-body (these options don't have to be integrated, let them develop separately). Wanting two worlds served makes strange animals.
• I would happily give the IBIS away of the S5 I have, for a small E-body with native M-lens handling. One might call it M-E. Note the hyphen - a world of difference between ME and M-E just like between MP and M-P, and between CL and CL, stop I am now getting confused , I mean CLE and CL...

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9 hours ago, LUF Admin said:

Your participation and answers will help to better align future Leica products with customer needs.

It would be great if we could get as many Leica customers as possible to participate in order to give the Leica developers as good an idea as possible of what you want!

Next time you post something like this…make sure it is fit for purpose. 

[Photoworks]

Considering that the development of a leica takes 4 years this question are probably directed to a camera that should be the future of Leica.
This camera is probably an SL3. If that is the case the questions are all relevant.

Sadly all question where about interface and hardware. No mention of hobby project of FOTOS app, The lack of Flash support, or a proper costumer service.

Since the CL2 and M11 should come out soon, there is no change to be made for another few years.

 

[Michael Markey]

8 hours ago, LUF Admin said:

Having TL2 or CL not on the list doesn't mean that your opinion is less important!

When making up a survey it's always a balance of usability and covering all possible options.

Please use the „Other Leica camera …“ option!

Andreas

With respect that wasn`t the question .

[250swb]

The annoying thing is if I'd only been asked about digital Leica's I could have said 'M10' ( and not MP) and answered about that instead of going down the rabbit hole. This is a testimony of how unfocused Leica are.

[ianman]

3 hours ago, Alberti said:

The survey was oriented for investigating market response for a newer SL2. So question regarding M were not relevant.

• That implies a blind spot for those M-users that would like a E-body next to an M-body (these options don't have to be integrated, let them develop separately). Wanting two worlds served makes strange animals.
• I would happily give the IBIS away of the S5 I have, for a small E-body with native M-lens handling. One might call it M-E. Note the hyphen - a world of difference between ME and M-E just like between MP and M-P, and between CL and CL, stop I am now getting confused , I mean CLE and CL...

What is an E-body ??

[willeica]

3 hours ago, logan2z said:

Same experience here, as an M-A user who doesn't own any digital cameras.  Clearly the survey was not designed for users of Leica's film cameras.  After the third question in a row about displays I bailed out. 

I told them that menus are for restaurants.

William 

[ELAN]

Q: What features would entice you to an SL successor?

A: Smaller, lighter, M-mount

[Michael Markey]

8 minutes ago, ELAN said:

Q: What features would entice you to an SL successor?

A: Smaller, lighter, M-mount

Phase detect AF .

[rob_w]

In fairness, the survey is only for tilt display options and GUI improvements as far as I can see.  And that is fair enough, isn't it?

That said, I would like a survey at some point in time to state my preference for compact/ light weight / high quality optics as provided by the CL and hopefully successors.

 

[wda]

That is not what the subject title says or implies.

[Alan J]

This survey seems to be about product development, but only for the SL or its replacement?

So many more answers and customer input is needed to be heard from customers.  My wishes, (not covered by the survey)

would be for  a new SLxxx the size and weight of the M10 with an option to order either CCD or CMOS sensors in Monochrome.

[Ornello]

This seems to be oriented to digital equipment. I own five Leicaflex SL2 bodies, an R8, and eight R lenses.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Ornello

[logan2z]

3 hours ago, ELAN said:

Q: What features would entice you to an SL successor?

If it took film.

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[NZDavid]

Well, I think it's fantastic that Leica is asking for feedback! I enjoyed the survey and it didn't take very long. As I could only choose one product, my main camera is the M10 and I don't think its basic design needs changing at all! In fact, I would like to see other cameras following the same emphasis on compact size and simplicity of use, with traditional analog controls.

Today's cameras have gotten far too complicated -- so much so that I understand some people are put off photography altogether! 

It's not for nothing that the Q series is so popular.

I also think that  compact size is important and Leica has rather forgotten its Barnack roots: small camera, large picture.

This from The Leica's First 50 Years, by Bob Schwalberg, from November 1975, in The Best of Popular Photography: "There are two basically different approaches to technical instrument design. One starts by deciding all of the necessary functions, and then determines the size and shape required. The other begins by fixing a set of maximum dimensions, and then decides how many desirable functions can be contained. And this was Barnack's way." 

Edit: I should add that since then, it has become possible to cram a zillion functions into a tiny space with software -- however, that doesn't make a camera necessarily better or more usable. 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by NZDavid