robgo2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share #221 Posted November 6, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14 hours ago, nicci78 said: I make prints with my CL no difference with my former M10. Just like @jaapv said only acuity and resolution count. My 24Mp CL prints are very hard to distinguish from my 47Mp Q2 prints. Mostly I print at 10 x 15 inches. Now my Q2M prints are at a noticeably higher level. Few amateurs print larger on a regular basis, and I am confident that the vast majority of CL and M users are amateurs. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 6, 2021 Posted November 6, 2021 Hi robgo2, Take a look here My message to Leica AG in regards to CL!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
LocalHero1953 Posted November 6, 2021 Share #222 Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, robgo2 said: Just for the record, the CL lacks weatherproofing, but you already know that. 😉 Indeed. My point was that no camera provides everything, and 'ditching' a M for a CL is most definitely not a sign of lack of commitment to photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 6, 2021 Share #223 Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, robgo2 said: My 24Mp CL prints are very hard to distinguish from my 47Mp Q2 prints. Mostly I print at 10 x 15 inches. Now my Q2M prints are at a noticeably higher level. Few amateurs print larger on a regular basis, and I am confident that the vast majority of CL and M users are amateurs. You clearly know this but it is worth repeating: Large size prints are not the same as high quality prints High resolution prints are not the same as high quality photographs Technically excellent prints are not the same as interesting photographs. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted November 7, 2021 Share #224 Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, robgo2 said: My 24Mp CL prints are very hard to distinguish from my 47Mp Q2 prints. Mostly I print at 10 x 15 inches. Now my Q2M prints are at a noticeably higher level. Few amateurs print larger on a regular basis, and I am confident that the vast majority of CL and M users are amateurs. It was long ago determined that 10mp is sufficient for prints up to poster size provided the pixels are high quality and I've found that to be true. If you see today prints made from the M8 or the DMR, both of which are 10mp, they aren't going to look shabby. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted November 7, 2021 Share #225 Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 6:45 PM, dkCambridgeshire said: Leica TL lenses are made in Far East ... not Germany. In 2014, for the Leica 'T' system, four Leica T lenses were announced; in 2015 to 2021 only 3 additional TL lenses were announced and manufactured. Just 7 TL lenses released in 7 years ... and nothing longer than 202mm FF equivalent ... hardly an APS-C 'system' of lenses. I had two Leica TL2 cameras ... one replaced under warranty ... neither would consistently work with Leica R lenses via an R to L adapter. I gave up on the TL2 and Leica refunded me the ££. After my frustrating experiences with the TL2 I was not convinced that the CL would work reliably with long focus Leica R lenses ... so I did not try or buy the CL. A friend bought a CL ... in his opinion it's years behind other manufacturers' ICL APS-C offings because it does not have IBIS. I still use my Leica T ... with the 11-23mm and legacy lenses . Perhaps you should seek out a better class of friends. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share #226 Posted November 8, 2021 After all the discussions we had in this thread and all the negative rumors, today I took my CL for a walk and enjoyed it more than ever before! Once again, I realized how wonderful this little camera is and wished that all the bad rumors are only rumors! If not; if Leica really decides to end the continuation of CL, it would be a grave mistake and whoever is behind this stupid decision should be fired from Leica AG immediately! 🤗 Amen!.... 10 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalLeicanator Posted November 9, 2021 Share #227 Posted November 9, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 11/7/2021 at 6:43 PM, Louis said: After all the discussions we had in this thread and all the negative rumors, today I took my CL for a walk and enjoyed it more than ever before! Once again, I realized how wonderful this little camera is and wished that all the bad rumors are only rumors! If not; if Leica really decides to end the continuation of CL, it would be a grave mistake and whoever is behind this stupid decision should be fired from Leica AG immediately! 🤗 Amen!.... FWIW, I did talk to the nice gentlemen who sold me the CL at a Leica Dealer and he seemed to think its demise would leave a hole in their lineup and thus be non-sensical. My gut is still telling me that the "solution" will come from elsewhere in the L-mount alliance. As long as I have somewhere to screw on my lenses in 10 years, I'll be OK. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted November 10, 2021 Share #228 Posted November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, SoCalLeicanator said: FWIW, I did talk to the nice gentlemen who sold me the CL at a Leica Dealer and he seemed to think its demise would leave a hole in their lineup and thus be non-sensical. My gut is still telling me that the "solution" will come from elsewhere in the L-mount alliance. As long as I have somewhere to screw on my lenses in 10 years, I'll be OK. I think APS-C L mount lenses are here to stay. As to APS-C bodies it's harder to say especially if they start coming out with very compact FF L mount bodies at a price point to make APS-C bodies moot. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 10, 2021 Share #229 Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, SoCalLeicanator said: FWIW, I did talk to the nice gentlemen who sold me the CL at a Leica Dealer and he seemed to think its demise would leave a hole in their lineup and thus be non-sensical. My gut is still telling me that the "solution" will come from elsewhere in the L-mount alliance. As long as I have somewhere to screw on my lenses in 10 years, I'll be OK. I think that you make a good point Look at Leica price range. Without CL it will look strange Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Right now you can get a made in Germany Leica at 2995€ with lens. Imagine without the CL ? Starting price will be 5290€ with the Q2. It will be crazy. Edited November 10, 2021 by nicci78 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Right now you can get a made in Germany Leica at 2995€ with lens. Imagine without the CL ? Starting price will be 5290€ with the Q2. It will be crazy. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325292-my-message-to-leica-ag-in-regards-to-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4310552'>More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 10, 2021 Share #230 Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) Leica has a clear upgrade path from Panasonic rebranded 1 inch and cropped m4/3 compact cameras -> APS-C mirrorless system -> fixed lens Full frame -> 24x36 mirrorless system Without the CL the gap will be huge from the D-Lux 7 to the Q2 : +4070€ ! Edited November 10, 2021 by nicci78 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted November 10, 2021 Share #231 Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, nicci78 said: Leica has a clear upgrade path from Panasonic rebranded 1 inch and cropped m4/3 compact cameras -> APS-C mirrorless system -> fixed lens Full frame -> 24x36 mirrorless system Without the CL the gap will be huge from the D-Lux 7 to the Q2 : +4070€ ! I would not be surprised if Panasonic abandons everything fixed lens as part of a survival strategy that keeps micro 4/3 alive a bit longer, until full frame takes over for both video and photo ( they have no APS-C, so there is no middle ground as m4/3 falls away ) Edited November 10, 2021 by FrozenInTime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 10, 2021 Share #232 Posted November 10, 2021 Of course if Pana stops TZ200 FZ1000 II and LX100 II without successors. Leica will absolutely need a CL2. It will be hard to run Leica stores with 5290€ as the sole entry price 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 10, 2021 Share #233 Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, nicci78 said: Of course if Pana stops TZ200 FZ1000 II and LX100 II without successors. Leica will absolutely need a CL2. It will be hard to run Leica stores with 5290€ as the sole entry price And then with such potentially low volume, you ask why Leica needs stores? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskkyle Posted November 10, 2021 Share #234 Posted November 10, 2021 More APS-C L mount offerings being released all the time. Doesn’t feel to me like this product line is dead in the water… Yes, I am aware this company is not in the L mount alliance and therefore privy to inside information. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325292-my-message-to-leica-ag-in-regards-to-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4310905'>More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 10, 2021 Share #235 Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, ruskkyle said: More APS-C L mount offerings being released all the time. Doesn’t feel to me like this product line is dead in the water… Yes, I am aware this company is not in the L mount alliance and therefore privy to inside information. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Agree. I still hope. Thoughtful if the CL line stops. You actually only hear good things about the system. I think the same. I think it's true they have not sold very many APSC. But such a good product can be sold. I'm sure of that. CL is not comparable to a mobile phone. It must simply be a marketing and branding who have gone completely wrong. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted November 11, 2021 Share #236 Posted November 11, 2021 15 hours ago, ruskkyle said: More APS-C L mount offerings being released all the time. Doesn’t feel to me like this product line is dead in the water… Yes, I am aware this company is not in the L mount alliance and therefore privy to inside information. You guys keep forgetting that these brands also develop for other lens mounts. All they have to do to sell in L mount is swap the lens mount, and that costs nothing. This lens was NOT developed for L mount, it was developed for all APS-C bodies. They sell it even in M43 mount! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325292-my-message-to-leica-ag-in-regards-to-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4311161'>More sharing options...
ruskkyle Posted November 11, 2021 Share #237 Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Simone_DF said: You guys keep forgetting that these brands also develop for other lens mounts. All they have to do to sell in L mount is swap the lens mount, and that costs nothing. This lens was NOT developed for L mount, it was developed for all APS-C bodies. They sell it even in M43 mount! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I’m not forgetting anything - merely observing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 12, 2021 Share #238 Posted November 12, 2021 I guess it's just as ugly in all mounts ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share #239 Posted November 17, 2021 I wonder if Leica.com is going to remove this page (following screen shot) if someone in Leica AG is going to take the ridiculous decision of not continuing the CL (APS-C) system! 🤔 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325292-my-message-to-leica-ag-in-regards-to-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4315244'>More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 17, 2021 Share #240 Posted November 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Louis said: I wonder if Leica.com is going to remove this page (following screen shot) if someone in Leica AG is going to take the ridiculous decision of not continuing the CL (APS-C) system! 🤔 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That's my point - if the decision to stop - and there are so many rumors as there are now - that APSC will stop and Leica does NOT disprove it - then it's misleading marketing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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