Vlad Soare Posted September 21, 2021 Share #21 Posted September 21, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 49 minutes ago, jarek0423 said: Annoying as it may seem, it’s just basic supply and demand. I don’t see anything wrong if somebody wants to pay over MSRP for an item in short supply. Doesn’t seem like Schouten is an authorized Leica dealer, so they can do whatever they want regarding pricing. It’s a free market… 14 minutes ago, Danner said: I dunno, there's a segment of the market (wealthy) where the price premium doesn't matter a whole lot (not me, of course). So, supply and demand, it's a form of freedom, which I like. Exactly. People often seem to forget this. As long as he is the rightful owner of that thing, he is entitled to ask whatever price he wants. You can take it or leave it. It's that simple. There's nothing wrong with that, neither legally nor morally. That being said, I find even the official price preposterous, let alone this one. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herr Barnack Posted September 21, 2021 Share #22 Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Vlad Soare said: ...That being said, I find even the official price preposterous, let alone this one. We who are Leica disciples are just fools in love. 🙄 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted September 21, 2021 Share #23 Posted September 21, 2021 9 hours ago, gotium said: Focus shift? I was wondering about that, too. Can anyone comment on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted September 21, 2021 Share #24 Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Herr Barnack said: We who are Leica disciples are just fools in love. 🙄 Sure we are. And there's nothing wrong with that. But in this particular case it seems to me you're paying a premium not necessarily for better image quality, but just for a shorter minimum focusing distance - a focusing distance which is unusable with the rangefinder anyway. Personally, while I'm willing to pay four or five thousand euros for a lens that gives me some exquisite image quality (I did, actually), I won't pay two thousand euros extra just for a gimmick. Let alone four thousand extra. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted September 21, 2021 Share #25 Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Tessar. said: Was this an eBay listing? I was looking at a 35mm Summilux V2 in his eBay shop a month ago and remembered seeing it on his website too, so I checked back there to make sure it was indeed the same lens. It was, and was listed much cheaper. Needless to say I bought it from the website. His eBay prices must be speculative. His prices on eBay are normally much higher than those on his website, presumably simply in order to offset all of eBay’s fees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted September 21, 2021 Share #26 Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, M9reno said: His prices on eBay are normally much higher than those on his website, presumably simply in order to offset all of eBay’s fees. I have my doubts that it costs an extra $2358.85 USD to sell that lens on ebay... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted September 21, 2021 Share #27 Posted September 21, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: I have my doubts that it costs an extra $2358.85 USD to sell that lens on ebay... I just looked up eBay’s fees: https://pages.ebay.com/gd/en-us/seller-center/seller-updates/2021-spring/fees-update.html#m17-1-tb2 12.55% on total amount of the sale up to $7,500 calculated per item 2.35% on the portion of the sale over $7,500 The price on his website is 9,000 Euros. That on his ebay store is about 10,000 Euros. Does it not work out? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted September 21, 2021 Share #28 Posted September 21, 2021 Not bad enough to pay over list. I am content to wait until Leica gets the production up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessar. Posted September 21, 2021 Share #29 Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, M9reno said: I just looked up eBay’s fees: https://pages.ebay.com/gd/en-us/seller-center/seller-updates/2021-spring/fees-update.html#m17-1-tb2 12.55% on total amount of the sale up to $7,500 calculated per item 2.35% on the portion of the sale over $7,500 The price on his website is 9,000 Euros. That on his ebay store is about 10,000 Euros. Does it not work out? I hadn't thought of that, in the case of my Summilux it's just about exactly right. So the thing to do is check the seller's store for a better deal.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted September 21, 2021 Share #30 Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, M9reno said: I just looked up eBay’s fees: https://pages.ebay.com/gd/en-us/seller-center/seller-updates/2021-spring/fees-update.html#m17-1-tb2 12.55% on total amount of the sale up to $7,500 calculated per item 2.35% on the portion of the sale over $7,500 The price on his website is 9,000 Euros. That on his ebay store is about 10,000 Euros. Does it not work out? Wow, I did not realize the heavy premium that eBay charges. Definitely an eBay turn-off for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted September 21, 2021 Share #31 Posted September 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, Danner said: Wow, I did not realize the heavy premium that eBay charges. Definitely an eBay turn-off for me. Looking more carefully on the website, and assuming that Schouten is not a “starter store” on eBay, his fees are probably closer to 9% than 12.55%, but yeah, still some charges. What a business! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted September 22, 2021 Share #32 Posted September 22, 2021 Could it be a commission sale? In that case the price is not determined by Schouten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted September 22, 2021 Share #33 Posted September 22, 2021 13 hours ago, M9reno said: Looking more carefully on the website, and assuming that Schouten is not a “starter store” on eBay, his fees are probably closer to 9% than 12.55%, but yeah, still some charges. What a business! His website prices are often ex-VAT. eBay prices will have to include any VAT. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 23, 2021 Share #34 Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 2:21 PM, Danner said: I dunno, there's a segment of the market (wealthy) where the price premium doesn't matter a whole lot (not me, of course). So, supply and demand, it's a form of freedom, which I like. Right. Plus, if a client of a photographer wants him to deliver images or film solely made with that lens and wants to pay a bit extra for the assignment, I don’t see that as very uncommon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted September 29, 2021 Share #35 Posted September 29, 2021 Not 8000 better than my F 2.0 ASPH that I never use at F2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted October 1, 2021 Share #36 Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 1:30 PM, Tessar. said: Was this an eBay listing? I was looking at a 35mm Summilux V2 in his eBay shop a month ago and remembered seeing it on his website too, so I checked back there to make sure it was indeed the same lens. It was, and was listed much cheaper. Needless to say I bought it from the website. His eBay prices must be speculative. Or he is just passing on eBay fees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessar. Posted October 1, 2021 Share #37 Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, jrp said: Or he is just passing on eBay fees? Yeah, it does appear to be the case. I'd forgotten how much the fees add up to. Although as a business seller I'd assume his fees would be a bit less than a private seller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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