Jk1002 Posted August 12, 2021 Share #41 Posted August 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bought a RX100 as a companion to my M for its auto focus. If I need that I use it. I think improvement will come in SL3 but for right now Id say use the Leica stuff for slower photography. That said there was a german youtube where a reviewer of the Sl2 got support from Leica and they tested with a runner and the results were OK. For quick moving kids, F stop up, speed up, Iso up and it might be ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 Hi Jk1002, Take a look here New firmware for the SL2? I. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Timkr Posted August 12, 2021 Share #42 Posted August 12, 2021 So, you don’t have any data to share. Figured Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Posted August 12, 2021 Share #43 Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Yes, must be the reason why the SL line is selling like hotcakes and overtaking even the M, while Sony camera division will be the next Olympus, right? I'm sure Corolla's outsell Chiron's too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Posted August 12, 2021 Share #44 Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Timkr said: So, you don’t have any data to share. Figured Better, I have experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gough Posted August 13, 2021 Share #45 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) I think that owners have every right to expect firmware updates and bug fixes in a reasonable period. Leica needs to throw the SL line some love. They are years behind in lens releases, and months behind in firmware releases... Given the price point vs the competition, it is unacceptable, and Customers have every right to complain in these circumstances. Leica needs to step up, if Panasonic can do it, so can Leica. Firmware is just programming and testing, it shouldn't take this long. Where is my SL 21mm Summicron? Edited August 13, 2021 by Andrew Gough 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted August 13, 2021 Share #46 Posted August 13, 2021 I'll be happy with any improvement in the AFc, but realistic enough to know it will never be as good as phase detect AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted August 13, 2021 Share #47 Posted August 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 hours ago, Speeding said: I'm sure Corolla's outsell Chiron's too. I think you forgot that the A1 costs 6500€, same as the SL2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted August 13, 2021 Share #48 Posted August 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Jk1002 said: That said there was a german youtube where a reviewer of the Sl2 got support from Leica and they tested with a runner and the results were OK. Yes, especially with the latest firmware update, the SL2s can keep up with a runner like the one in the video, which is a runner running alone, same speed and direction, in a controlled environment. Not a real life situation most of the time though. Try that on a bustling city street and see if it works. We won't see any AF-C parity with other systems before a SL3, if not a SL4. The tech is not there for non-phase detect systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 13, 2021 Share #49 Posted August 13, 2021 I am still curious why not a phase detect-contrast AF combination in SL Camera body, like the Sony A1/A9? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timkr Posted August 13, 2021 Share #50 Posted August 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Speeding said: Better, I have experience. I’ve had just about every leica body since the m8 and Sony since the a7. Instead of behaving like a child, why share your experience to support your opinions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKorenc Posted August 13, 2021 Share #51 Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Simone_DF said: I think you forgot that the A1 costs 6500€, same as the SL2 The A1 is also twice the camera that the SL2 is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted August 13, 2021 Share #52 Posted August 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, AKorenc said: The A1 is also twice the camera that the SL2 is. The SL2 is twice the camera the A1 is, but in size and weight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted August 13, 2021 Share #53 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) A lot of unnecessary and pointless discussion here. I suggest you all stop and concentrate on the essential: When will the update be available ? If I wanted a A1 I would follow a different forum. Everybody can own both a Leica and a Sony. Still we need an update here. But we need no “clever” hints to buy a A1. If we really needed one, we would buy it any time without “clever advisers”. Maybe we have already. Still we need an update for the SL2, ASAP. And even if we have a A1, it adds other problems and other frustrations. This is simply normal. So stop telling us the A1 is perfect. This is no forum for Sony marketing. Nobody believes it anyway. Edited August 13, 2021 by caissa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 13, 2021 Share #54 Posted August 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, AKorenc said: The A1 is also twice the camera that the SL2 is. It depends what your priorities are. The SL2 has a better interface, better lenses, better colour, better IBIS, and of course it works better with M lenses. The A1 has more speed, but it's not as fast as Canon and Nikon's professional bodies. There's no point in arguing this over and over again. In the end, we each pick the one that we like best, and that suits us best. Obviously, if you absolutely have to have the fastest camera on the market, you will choose Canon or Nikon. That's what they excel at. Leica is a great choice if you want a camera that is easy to use and intuitive, if you like their colour science, and if you want no-compromise lenses (not including extreme telephoto, which is a special case). I don't see the point of criticizing others for having different priorities. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timkr Posted August 13, 2021 Share #55 Posted August 13, 2021 Priorities or preferences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Posted August 13, 2021 Share #56 Posted August 13, 2021 10 hours ago, Timkr said: I’ve had just about every leica body since the m8 and Sony since the a7. Instead of behaving like a child, why share your experience to support your opinions? My experience with Sony's dating back to the A7 is they are miles behind in build quality, reliability, handling, GUI, IBIS, weather sealing and M-mount lens performance vs SL2. Not to mention like using an appliance with a shutter button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timkr Posted August 13, 2021 Share #57 Posted August 13, 2021 Thanks for the deep analysis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Posted August 13, 2021 Share #58 Posted August 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Simone_DF said: I think you forgot that the A1 costs 6500€, same as the SL2 Having purchased both I am well aware. Sadly the A1 had multiple failures and was returned. No sense paying Chiron money for a Corolla. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Posted August 13, 2021 Share #59 Posted August 13, 2021 10 hours ago, AKorenc said: The A1 is also twice the camera that the SL2 is. Not when your priorities are build quality, reliability, handling, GUI, IBIS, weather sealing, M-mount lens performance and user engagement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyrkialanen Posted August 14, 2021 Share #60 Posted August 14, 2021 20 hours ago, BernardC said: The A1 has more speed, but it's not as fast as Canon and Nikon's professional bodies. Really? You must be living in some kind of a parallel universe then, because in this wold A1 is the fastest (if the definition for speed is fps) by a significant margin and the speed is also coupled with a superior resolution. Here is one listing for you to study the specs: https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/the-best-cameras-for-professionals You can look down on Sony all you like but please don't make things up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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