SL2-S firmware still have bugs?

[scott kirkpatrick]

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Yes.  Here's an easy one -- the User profile interface doesn't work.  I saved my profiles, uploaded them after the firmware upgrade, and they don't work. Each time I click on profiles in the quick menu, it comes up in "delete". So I run through the list (titles show correctly) and try to set one. When I check in the internal user profile, it doesn't show as Active.  When I try to set them using the internal menu, that also does nothing.  So it's broken.  I'm using the SL2 as the standard, where all of these things work.

Edited May 5, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

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[rim_light]

Sorry to hear, but it works for me...

[MediaFotografie]

no good news - I can‘t belive this wasn‘t seen during the tests. 

Happy „only“ owning the SL2 non S

[scott kirkpatrick]

39 minutes ago, rim_light said:

Sorry to hear, but it works for me...

Do you shift between several profiles? When you touch or click on the profile icon in the quick meny, what do you see?  

[rim_light]

1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Do you shift between several profiles? When you touch or click on the profile icon in the quick meny, what do you see?  

I see the different icons for selecting the other profiles and can switch. So everything works as it should. 

[Photoworks]

I used to have it on the SL2 first firmware.

I full reset fixed it. you just need to rebuild the profiles..

[scott kirkpatrick]

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I'll give that a try, but I am not looking forward to the half hour that I have to spend to get all the things reset (copyright, file extension, ...) that the profiles don't preserve.

Edit:  (half hour later)   Did a reset (installing the firmware was already one reset).  Problem improved only slightly.  Now I can set "default" from the quick menu, and the quick menu shows that profile, but only the names of the other profiles that are stored.  When I go to the inside menu, the default profile shows as active.  I cannot set any other profile as active on the inside or from the quick menu.

SO IT IS A BUG. (This doesn't happen on my SL2, either.)

Second edit (which did not post, a few hours ago)  I finally did all the things that are needed to get the quickmenu profile selection and display to work.  It's not so easy.  First I did a total reset (aargh!), then I "re-imported" the profiles.  Then I "saved" each profile , which probably stores them deeper in the camera's nonvolatile memory.  Now the profiles can be selected from either menu and will display (with their number) when you press "menu" once.  The SL2 and the SL2S user manual tellsyou that a reset is required to make a profile go away, but do not explain the two steps needed to make a restored profile work in the camera.  So it is a bug, but Leica may consider a documentation bug, which doesn't really count to them.

Edited May 6, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

[scott kirkpatrick]

17 hours ago, rim_light said:

I see the different icons for selecting the other profiles and can switch. So everything works as it should. 

OK, see post above.  (Oops, it didn't post, but now my conclusions are updated. -- I agree with rim_light, but think this is not documented correctly, and even if you do the right thing, is far too fussy.)

Edited May 6, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

[rim_light]

6 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Did a reset (installing the firmware was already one reset). 

I know that your are a responsible owner of the Leica cameras and that you work elaborated, but I had an odd error on my SL2. I had to reset it twice until it was gone. Just as an idea what else could help

[LocalHero1953]

I have similar gripes with the user profile, as reported above. And yes, I also did a factory reset.

Yes, I realise you can embed those user profiles by 'saving' them, but when you restart the camera, the quick start menu does not show the profile you previously selected. It remembers the settings (or appears to - see my last para below), but does not display the profile number.

If anyone has anything other than a SL2-S with f/w v2.0, can they report its behaviour? Did the SL or SL2 remember the profile you selected before switching off and display it in the quickstart menu.

One of my profiles was for video; reloading it is incomplete - it shows as a Photo setting, and when I switch to Video it shows as P-mode, not M-mode as set in the profile. Also, previous versions of the SL2-S f/w certainly remembered that I was in a 'Video' profile when I restarted. In the current version it doesn't - it drops me back to 'Photo'. I've lost trust that the SL2-S actually recalls ALL the profile settings after a restart.😒

Edited May 6, 2021 by LocalHero1953

[SJH]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I have similar gripes with the user profile, as reported above. And yes, I also did a factory reset.

Yes, I realise you can embed those user profiles by 'saving' them, but when you restart the camera, the quick start menu does not show the profile you previously selected. It remembers the settings (or appears to - see my last para below), but does not display the profile number.

If anyone has anything other than a SL2-S with f/w v2.0, can they report its behaviour? Did the SL or SL2 remember the profile you selected before switching off and display it in the quickstart menu.

One of my profiles was for video; reloading it is incomplete - it shows as a Photo setting, and when I switch to Video it shows as P-mode, not M-mode as set in the profile. Also, previous versions of the SL2-S f/w certainly remembered that I was in a 'Video' profile when I restarted. In the current version it doesn't - it drops me back to 'Photo'. I've lost trust that the SL2-S actually recalls ALL the profile settings after a restart.😒

I have the same issue on my SL2-S with v2 in that it doesn't show the Profile number selected in the Quick Menu or the active Profile in the Profiles Menu. I seem to remember that this functioned this way originally on both my SL2 and then my current SL2-S. It's annoying because when you come back to the camera it's not clear what Profile is actually set.

[stallus]

Here is another minor bug:

File Modification Date/Time is still wrong (+2h) in Leica SL2-S with FW 2.0. (Was also wrong in FW 1.0)

This means: The file time stamp is +2 hours ahead of other Exif date/times like:

Create Date,

Date/Time Original,

File Access Date/Time,

File Inode Change Date/Time

 

checked with Exiftool

[farnz]

3 hours ago, stallus said:

Here is another minor bug:

File Modification Date/Time is still wrong (+2h) in Leica SL2-S with FW 2.0. (Was also wrong in FW 1.0)

 

Ah, so the SL2-S Time Travel function is still working?  Good to know.  Very useful for returning to catch a decisive moment that was narrowly missed.

Pete.

[msh58]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick:

OK, see post above.  (Oops, it didn't post, but now my conclusions are updated. -- I agree with rim_light, but think this is not documented correctly, and even if you do the right thing, is far too fussy.)

This discussion suddenly reminded me that to my knowledge Leica never changes the documentation (PDF manuals) to document exactly the functionality of the present version of the firmware. This should be pretty straightforward to do and would make many trial and error rounds unnecessary. Naturally, when the equipment was solely mechanical or not having any possibilities for upgrades, need to change the documentation was very rare. 

A bug can be turned into a feature by simply documenting it

- Matti

[LikameLeica]

On 5/6/2021 at 5:17 PM, scott kirkpatrick said:

I'll give that a try, but I am not looking forward to the half hour that I have to spend to get all the things reset (copyright, file extension, ...) that the profiles don't preserve.

Edit:  (half hour later)   Did a reset (installing the firmware was already one reset).  Problem improved only slightly.  Now I can set "default" from the quick menu, and the quick menu shows that profile, but only the names of the other profiles that are stored.  When I go to the inside menu, the default profile shows as active.  I cannot set any other profile as active on the inside or from the quick menu.

SO IT IS A BUG. (This doesn't happen on my SL2, either.)

Second edit (which did not post, a few hours ago)  I finally did all the things that are needed to get the quickmenu profile selection and display to work.  It's not so easy.  First I did a total reset (aargh!), then I "re-imported" the profiles.  Then I "saved" each profile , which probably stores them deeper in the camera's nonvolatile memory.  Now the profiles can be selected from either menu and will display (with their number) when you press "menu" once.  The SL2 and the SL2S user manual tellsyou that a reset is required to make a profile go away, but do not explain the two steps needed to make a restored profile work in the camera.  So it is a bug, but Leica may consider a documentation bug, which doesn't really count to them.

I took these same steps as recommended in the 2nd edit and it took care of the problem.  An extra, 5 minutes of work, but annoying none the less. 

[LikameLeica]

12 hours ago, LikameLeica said:

I took these same steps as recommended in the 2nd edit and it took care of the problem.  An extra, 5 minutes of work, but annoying none the less. 

After spending more time with the camera after taking these steps, I have discovered that yes the Profiles show the proper profile # in the quick menu and switch as I change profiles, however the actual customized setting that I had taken substantial time thinking through and setting up have been lost.  I am now having to reset manually all the customized setting in the profiles.  Having been an owner of the original SL, I recall a similar issue with firmware upgrades not retaining profile settings properly after a firmware upgrade.  Would be nice if this gets addressed in future upgrades.  

[stallus]

Am 6.5.2021 um 22:38 schrieb stallus:

Here is another minor bug:

File Modification Date/Time is still wrong (+2h) in Leica SL2-S with FW 2.0. (Was also wrong in FW 1.0)

This means: The file time stamp is +2 hours ahead of other Exif date/times like:

Create Date,

Date/Time Original,

File Access Date/Time,

File Inode Change Date/Time

 

checked with Exiftool

This bug is still present in Firmware 2.1 !

Leica should open a public bugtracker for firmware revisions! Then all users could report bugs or feature requests.

 

regards

Reiner

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, stallus said:

This bug is still present in Firmware 2.1 !

Leica should open a public bugtracker for firmware revisions! Then all users could report bugs or feature requests.

 

regards

Reiner

My SL2-S does not have that issue. The file stamp is the same as the EXIF date/times. Can anyone reproduce the issues reported by stallus?

Maybe there is an issue with your OS?

 

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[stallus]

vor 39 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

My SL2-S does not have that issue. The file stamp is the same as the EXIF date/times. Can anyone reproduce the issues reported by stallus?

Maybe there is an issue with your OS?

 

What shows exiftool with your DNG files?

Below is a sample of my DNG exifdata (with exiftool). Wrong timestamp is marked red, Correct time is marked green.

Best regards

Reiner

 

exiftool L1000372.DNG

 

ExifTool Version Number         : 12.30
File Name                       : L1000372.DNG
Directory                       : .
File Size                       : 43 MiB
File Modification Date/Time     : 2021:09:24 00:52:15+02:00
File Access Date/Time           : 2021:09:24 00:52:14+02:00
File Inode Change Date/Time     : 2021:09:24 00:52:15+02:00
File Permissions                : -rwxr-xr-x
File Type                       : DNG
File Type Extension             : dng
MIME Type                       : image/x-adobe-dng
Exif Byte Order                 : Little-endian (Intel, II)
Make                            : LEICA CAMERA AG
Camera Model Name               : LEICA SL2-S
Orientation                     : Horizontal (normal)
Software                        : 2.12
Modify Date                     : 2021:09:23 22:52:15
Artist                          :
Image Width                     : 6048
Image Height                    : 4048
Bits Per Sample                 : 14
Compression                     : Uncompressed
Photometric Interpretation      : Color Filter Array
Strip Offsets                   : 1933312
Samples Per Pixel               : 1
Rows Per Strip                  : 4048
Strip Byte Counts               : 42844160
X Resolution                    : 300
Y Resolution                    : 300
Resolution Unit                 : inches
CFA Repeat Pattern Dim          : 2 2
CFA Pattern 2                   : 0 1 1 2
CFA Layout                      : Rectangular
Black Level Repeat Dim          : 2 2
Black Level                     : 515 514 515 516
White Level                     : 16383
Default Crop Origin             : 12 24
Default Crop Size               : 6000 4000
Bayer Green Split               : 0
Anti Alias Strength             : 0.7
Best Quality Scale              : 1
Raw Data Unique ID              : 74010F34161709E507FDE15500000000
Active Area                     : 0 0 4048 6024
Opcode List 1                   : FixBadPixelsConstant
Opcode List 3                   : WarpRectilinear
Default User Crop               : 0 0 1 1
Preview Image Start             : 1816064
Preview Image Length            : 117248
Subfile Type                    : Reduced-resolution image
Jpg From Raw Start              : 102400
Jpg From Raw Length             : 1713664
About                           : Leica Camera AG
Rating                          : 0
Copyright                       :
Exposure Time                   : 1/13
F Number                        : 4.0
Exposure Program                : Aperture-priority AE
ISO                             : 6400
Sensitivity Type                : Standard Output Sensitivity
Standard Output Sensitivity     : 6400
Exif Version                    : 0231
Date/Time Original              : 2021:09:23 22:52:15
Create Date                     : 2021:09:23 22:52:15
Offset Time                     : +02:00
Offset Time Original            : +02:00
Offset Time Digitized           : +02:00
Components Configuration        : Y, Cb, Cr, -
Exposure Compensation           : 0
Max Aperture Value              : 2.8
Metering Mode                   : Other
Light Source                    : Unknown
Flash                           : Off, Did not fire
Focal Length                    : 65.0 mm
Serial Number                   : 5628413
Original File Name              : L1000372.DNG
Original Directory              : 100LEICA
Focus Distance                  : 3.33 m
File Index                      : 372
Film Mode                       :
WB RGB Levels                   : 0.8284789644 1 0.3184079602
Internal Serial Number          : (XEL) 2020:11:08 no. 0039
Flashpix Version                : 0100
Color Space                     : sRGB
Exif Image Width                : 6048
Exif Image Height               : 4048
Sensing Method                  : One-chip color area
File Source                     : Digital Camera
Custom Rendered                 : Normal
White Balance                   : Auto
Digital Zoom Ratio              : undef
Focal Length In 35mm Format     : 65 mm
Scene Capture Type              : Standard
Contrast                        : Normal
Saturation                      : Normal
Sharpness                       : Normal
Lens Info                       : 28-70mm f/3
Lens Make                       : SIGMA
Lens Model                      : 28 - 70mm F2.8 DG DN | Contemporary 021
Lens Serial Number              : 5649576
DNG Version                     : 1.4.0.0
DNG Backward Version            : 1.3.0.0
Unique Camera Model             : LEICA SL2-S
Localized Camera Model          : LEICA SL2-S
Color Matrix 1                  : 1.0946 -0.4156 0.0254 -0.487 1.4366 0.3355 -0.0791 0.1776 0.7477
Color Matrix 2                  : 0.7275 -0.198 -0.0514 -0.4369 1.1949 0.2302 -0.127 0.2137 0.5473
As Shot Neutral                 : 0.8284789644 1 0.3184079602
Baseline Exposure               : 0
Baseline Noise                  : 1
Baseline Sharpness              : 1
Linear Response Limit           : 1
Camera Serial Number            : 5628413
Maker Note Safety               : Unsafe
Calibration Illuminant 1        : Standard Light A
Calibration Illuminant 2        : D50
Aperture                        : 4.0
Blue Balance                    : 0.318408
CFA Pattern                     : [Red,Green][Green,Blue]
Image Size                      : 6048x4048
Jpg From Raw                    : (Binary data 1713664 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Megapixels                      : 24.5
Preview Image                   : (Binary data 117248 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Red Balance                     : 0.828479
Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 1.0
Shutter Speed                   : 1/13
Create Date                     : 2021:09:23 22:52:15+02:00
Date/Time Original              : 2021:09:23 22:52:15+02:00
Modify Date                     : 2021:09:23 22:52:15+02:00
Circle Of Confusion             : 0.030 mm
Depth Of Field                  : 0.62 m (3.05 - 3.67 m)
Field Of View                   : 30.4 deg (1.81 m)
Focal Length                    : 65.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 65.0 mm)
Hyperfocal Distance             : 35.15 m
Light Value                     : 1.7
Lens ID                         : 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN | Contemporary 021

 

[frame-it]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:59 AM, msh58 said:

This discussion suddenly reminded me that to my knowledge Leica never changes the documentation (PDF manuals) to document exactly the functionality of the present version of the firmware.

they did do that for the SL601, for a while then stopped